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    I found the pic online, no info, other than it was linked to some punts and sneakboat pics. European origin maybe? Nice looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Looks like the punt at Giverny.
    Nailed it.
    From this wep page. https://richardnilsen.com/2013/06/25/monet-at-giverny/
    The water lilies are a bit of a give-away.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    We once had a member who was building a boat for a water lily pond that replicated Giverny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    We once had a member who was building a boat for a water lily pond that replicated Giverny.
    Sensible and ancient design of punt. Did he finish it?

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...04/roman-boat/
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I didn't realize that Monet was into wooden boats (!).

    it's a sturdy looking model that should do well poling or rowing. If you see or know of line drawings or other pics, I would appreciate if you would forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnunn View Post
    I didn't realize that Monet was into wooden boats (!).

    it's a sturdy looking model that should do well poling or rowing. If you see or know of line drawings or other pics, I would appreciate if you would forward.
    Can't remember the name of the forumite who built the replica, but he was a rule of thumb builder who never used plans.

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    It was Larry Boyle, Boylesboats. His blog has disappeared. I know he had heart trouble, he may have passed on. That might be his boat in the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnunn View Post
    I didn't realize that Monet was into wooden boats (!).

    it's a sturdy looking model that should do well poling or rowing. If you see or know of line drawings or other pics, I would appreciate if you would forward.
    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Can't remember the name of the forumite who built the replica, but he was a rule of thumb builder who never used plans.
    I doubt that any of them were built with plans.

    I would start with Capelle's Old Style New Jersey Garvey, Fig 17 on P 61.
    Slacken the curves of the bottom and sides, deepen the transom so that it just kisses the water and may be increase the flare a smidgeon. Build a scale model out of cardboard and tweak it until it looks like the punt in the photo, and away you go.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    It was Larry Boyle, Boylesboats. His blog has disappeared. I know he had heart trouble, he may have passed on. That might be his boat in the picture.
    This is Larry's punt
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I'm back at it. Retirement has arrived and it's time to make things happen! I want to build a boat similar to the pic, based on Chapelle's (Charnock's) plan (attached). And punt boat.jpga pic that appears to be the same model.

    For me, I'd like to reduce the overall size to just under 18'. (My main criteria is that I can camp/sleep without being cramped.) I'd like to keep the 'old' look while using construction and materials for its intended use. Plywood sides (3/8") and bottom (1/2") although I might go heavier. Construction would change accordingly: eliminate bottom cross frames, add chine logs, keelson, and bottom rub strips. No plans for power other than electric trolling motor, maybe. Two rowing stations. I'm definitely interested in thoughts on this....

    When complete, the dream is do a float trip on the Rappahannock River (Va) from Fredericksburg to Port Royal (about 30 miles). Historically, Port Royal was the site of a significant tobacco packing and shipping facility. I wonder how many colonial-era farmers made that trip. It's tidal, so I'm wondering how far and long I could go using tides. 5-6 days?

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    Just reduce the station spacing in the ratio 18/20 or to 90%, and you will be fine. No need to change the breadths or depths.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    For info, she's a traditional "barque plate" or "barque à fond plat" ("flat rowboat" or "flat bottomed rowboat").
    Used since ages on rivers, lakes and other waterways in western Europe.
    Today, they are mainly know because used for tourism in some marsh-water lands in France as "le Marais Poitevin" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marais_Poitevin), les Hortillonnages at Amiens (https://www.visit-somme.com/amiens-a...oating-gardens) or the Marsh near St Omer (https://lesfaiseursdebateaux.fr/en/).

    Some boat builders are still building such types of rowboats:
    - at St Omer, they rent and build many traditional row boats. Page about the punts and horn boats of Picardy ("plates et barques à cornet"): https://lesfaiseursdebateaux.fr/en/buildings/the-platform-of-the-hortillonnages/
    - from the Somme area (https://carpentier-bois.fr/charpente...-bois/barques/ sorry no English pages)
    - one in Belgium (https://www.barque.be/ sorry no English pages)
    - and that one (http://barques-bois.com/ sorry no English pages) who build a reproduction of another famous rowboat for Monet's museum in Giverny, the pointy one seen on painting
    "En Norvégienne: La barque à Giverny" ("In norwegian: The Boat at Giverny" https://useum.org/artwork/La-barque-...ude-Monet-1887)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnunn View Post
    I didn't realize that Monet was into wooden boats (!).

    it's a sturdy looking model that should do well poling or rowing. If you see or know of line drawings or other pics, I would appreciate if you would forward.
    Monet used a studio boat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_St...eau-atelier%29
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    helluva painter !

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    Update: I built a ladder frame, topped it with OSB and a coat of primer to make 20' lofting board, at waist level (working on the floor is not for me any more), and tried my lofting 'skill' for my version of this boat (17' 10" vs the 20' model shown on the plans). Plenty of head scratching, but I think I figured it out. Given that I had only the drawing in Chappelle's book, I took measurements as best I could, plotted on the lofting board, and sprung a batten to smooth the lines. Here's how I went about it: First, I drew the plan view, next profile view, then developed x-section drawing using dimensions from the plan and profile views. In reducing the overall length, I basically kept all the dimensions as the original but took 2' (length) out the middle of the boat since it is fairly straight. That put a little more curve/shape in the plan view while still resembling the original. I like the shape, although I might have taken a little too much liberty with the chine line, which put much more angle in the bow and stern pieces, rather than the nearly vertical lines of the original.

    This was supposed to be a practice run to see how to loft a boat full size and to reduce the overall length from the original. My only experience with this was a weeklong WoodenBoat workshop at the Newport News Mariners' Museum (Virginia) probably 1996 or 97. Greg Rossell taught the workshop, great fun, and those photos were really helpful. Btw, I used OSB for the lofting board since decent plywood is outrageously expensive. Pluses and minuses, but so far it has stayed flat, and I now understand a lot more about how to build this boat.

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