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    Default Easy Sailing Pram designs

    So, I am looking for an affordable sailing pram to build, nothing fancy. Also, a fairly simple easy build that wouldn't take all year to build. It would be nice to have something made before the end of summer. I have been thinking of the Simplicity 8' pram from Selway-Fisher. I have a few questions; what do you do for a sail? What do plans include? Do they describe how to build the boat as well? Are these full size plans or will lofting be necessary?

    Also open to some suggestions for other small easy pram designs as well. This would be a first for me as I have never built anything that floats. I have a modest woodworking shop.

    Looking to do some lazy sailing on the small lakes in Wisconsin.

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    Default Re: Easy Sailing Pram designs

    I can think of a few: Bolger designed a couple, try Tortoise and Brick, also Nymph (If I recall correctly)
    PDracer is about as simple as you can get too. There was a design called Sabot(?) that's older, but simple and free.
    A sail can be had custom made, which is probably best but most expensive. You can find a new or used class sail to suit. You can even make one from dacron, or cheaper less durable material to experiment.
    Building a boat is great fun, but of course the quickest and cheapest way to get out sailing in your own boat is to find a used bargain.
    Good luck, keep us posted.

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    Default Re: Easy Sailing Pram designs

    Bolger's Elegant Punt.

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    If dead simple and inexpensive is your aim - then the Puddle Duck Racer/Oz Racer at 8' is your beast. Or the Oz Goose at 12'. Remarkably good sailors for something that look's like a kid's sandbox for the back yard.

    For something with a little more shape - one of the Bolger options will still be simple to build.

    For a small boat more pleasing to the eye, and even more shapely (with all that implies for performance as well as aesthetics - maybe one of Welsford's small offeriongs: Tender Behind is about 7'; Sherpa is about 9'
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    Modified AURAY PUNT (Phil Bolger design. Drawings from Book Instant Boatbuilding with Dynamite Payson)

    I modified design using 12 mm 3-layer-spruce plywood, epoxi without any frames as 12 mm ply results in stiff structure.
    Added simple standing-lug-sail using old windsurfer-mast and bolted articulated daggerboard on sides of boat. Constructed simple rudder.

    Boat rows excellent. Also fine with 2,3 hp Outboard. Sailing version see video:



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    Default Re: Easy Sailing Pram designs

    OzGoose looks to be an easy build, plans are cheap, and appears to sail beautifully: https://www.opengoose.com/

    CLC has a nice and simple pram: https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/...iling-kit.html

    There's a nesting version too.

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    Possibly I could be called a Chesapeake light craft groupie 🤣 because everything they've done is geared for the do-it-yourself crowd.

    The Eastport pram can probably be built in a long weekend,. (You looking for a kit or plans?)

    on this thread I'm finishing a partially built pram that was given to me, I tend to get very involved and try to be creative on anything I get or build but it doesn't have to be, https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url...5&share_type=t

    the instructions are very clear, and there are many videos all over the internet.

    And... I know this question is always asked; yes, use marine plywood.


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    It appears a 10 foot Mirror dinghy might do the job for you. It is a very popular sailing dinghy world wide.
    The boat has been around for 50+ years and has just about sailed everywhere. http://www.ukmirrorsailing.com/
    What I like is they are a two person, two sail craft (3 with spinnaker) that you can learn in and then race competively.

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    Rob27, you didn't mention why 8' is your target

    if 8' is etch'd in stone then the PDR(Puddle Duck Racer) will give you the biggest bang for your buck

    https://www.pdracer.com

    if hauling in the back of a standard pick up is your goal then i might also suggest the 12' Oz Goose as mentioned above which is another "sand box" looking boat w/ proven ability and ease of build

    https://www.storerboatplans.com/boat...d-racing-boat/

    my strongest goto suggestion is the May Fly 14 designed by Jim Michalak

    Jim has a very good book out that uses it for teaching/explaining all the aspects of building a simple boat and the plans are included in the book

    BoatBuilding for Beginners (and beyond) is an excellent book w/ lotsa pics and clear simple descriptions of the process

    $17 well spent IMHO

    https://www.duckworks.com/product-p/bb-bfbab.htm

    the May Fly 14 is a very good performer that is simple to build and can be carried in the back of a full sized pick up

    while you're in your research stage have a look at DuckWorks BBS for the stuff you'll need for your build

    these folks are a wealth of knowledge their prices are reasonable and they answer the phone if/when you call

    https://www.duckworks.com

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    Can't resist recalling the grandmother of such boats, the Optimist Pram. Now produced in plastic and used world wide as a trainer, most suitably sailed by children in the 80# to 120# range older wooden Optis can be found littering harbor shores fitted for rowing and in service as tenders to the moored mother ship.

    Designed in 1947 for the Optimist Club that wanted to expand from running a soap box derby, the original idea carried forward the notions of developing early teens with a total family involvement. In short: Build your own. It was the most boat you could get out of two sheets of plywood.

    In '64 our Setauket Yacht Club decided to make a sailing program for the children. During one Christmas vacation from prep school I got together with my junior high shop teacher to make the components for a dozen Opties - cut out sides, bottoms, transoms, chine logs, foils, et cetera. Then, huge party where the dads assembled them all in one night.

    Perhaps beer was the reason twelve boats from standard parts could come out no two alike . . .

    In those halcyon days of assumed sexism, the moms had a stitching party to assemble the sails. The sails were more exactly made than the hulls.

    If you have a ten to twelve year old interested in the whole of sailing, from build to use, the parent and child built Opti is hard to beat.

    Not the best choice if your goal is a small rowboat for an adult, but a super youth's first command.

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    The El Toro might be worth a look. Right size and from what I remember of the plans should go together pretty quickly. It also has enough of a following that you should easily be able to pick up a sail and other specific bits.


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    Default Re: Easy Sailing Pram designs

    Thanks for all the replies. I Think I am looking for something a little more shapely. Of those suggested, I kind of like the Bolger Nymph. I also like the Optimist pram for the simple build and availability of components, but I don't know if that is too small for me, though these are all small boats.

    I am looking for an approximately 8' boat to put in the back of my pickup, and be able to transport it from the truck to a beach or landing of some sort. About ten years ago, a friend took me out and showed me how to sail a small 8' pram on Lake Michigan, and it was a blast.

    I did find plans for the regular nymph boat at https://instantboats.com/product/nymph-7-9-x-3-6/

    So, I did notice on Bolgers Nymph that it has a leeboard. I would prefer a center board - Would this be a hard change to make if I went with this design? Also, the bench goes right down the center. If I were sailing this, I would want to sit on the floor. Another modification...

    And, in my years of looking at digyny's and small prams, I am always drawn to Welsfords tender behind pram. I do also like CLCs boats, but I think I am going to try something different from their offerings at the moment.

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    Sail like you mean it.


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    Michalak's Pickup pram? Designed to slide in and out of a pickup truck. There are two versions one stitch and glue one nail and glue(less work, more pleasant build imo.) As mentioned by others going a little bit longer than 8' will give you a lot more boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don MacLeod View Post
    It appears a 10 foot Mirror dinghy might do the job for you. It is a very popular sailing dinghy world wide.
    The boat has been around for 50+ years and has just about sailed everywhere. http://www.ukmirrorsailing.com/
    What I like is they are a two person, two sail craft (3 with spinnaker) that you can learn in and then race competively.
    Don't think you can buy Mirror plans, only kits. Otherwise, a very good boat.

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    "So, I did notice on Bolgers Nymph that it has a leeboard. I would prefer a center board - Would this be a hard change to make if I went with this design?".

    CLC Eastport pram appears near identical to the nymph.

    Have you thought about COST? It is almost never cheaper to build a boat.

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    I've plans built both CLC's Eastport and Passagemaker prams. Had just over 120 hours into the lug rigged 8 footer and 250 into the gunter sloop rigged 12 footer, including sewing the sails. Both can be built from kits or plans. All the sails are available as kits from Sailrite. Check out YouTube.com/c/midnightmaker for my build videos. There's also an Instructable and a build blog on the 8 footer. If you decide to go with a CLC boat, they have an amazing forum to help each other out.

    https://www.instructables.com/id/How...Wood-Sailboat/

    https://www.midnight-maker.com/singl...inghy%E2%80%A6

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    You should check out that skin-on-frame guy's Piankatank River Pram. A modified Herreshoff design, she's very light, easy to build and a very sweet sailor, indeed.
    http://gentrycustomboats.com/PRP.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGentry View Post
    You should check out that skin-on-frame guy's Piankatank River Pram. A modified Herreshoff design, she's very light, easy to build and a very sweet sailor, indeed.
    http://gentrycustomboats.com/PRP.html

    You should stay away from that guy. Hes a bad influence and enabler.

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    If this is for an adult there is a lot more room under the boom of an El Toro than an Opti. Don’t have experience with any of the other options mentioned.

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    http://bandbyachtdesigns.com/spindrift/

    B&B has a nice dingy with a pointed bow. Different lengths, I would not worry about it hanging out 1’-3’ past your 8’baed. His designs are good, well thought out, and have a bunch of building tips. There is a forum for home builders for his boats. His butterfly construction technique is fast and easy. You can get a kit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    You should stay away from that guy. Hes a bad influence and enabler.

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    Here, a Piankatank stretched to 10, powered by an opti rig. The thing is a hoot. I have only sailed her in protected waters, but a hoot nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John hartmann View Post
    Here, a Piankatank stretched to 10, powered by an opti rig. The thing is a hoot. I have only sailed her in protected waters, but a hoot nonetheless.

    Sweet! Something about reclining in an opti powered sailboat, eh?

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    With this pram and a duck punt, yes....though I also often sail Waxwing sitting down low on the floorboards, with the sail and blocks comfortably overhead....very comfy, and no undignified blips upon the head.

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    Default Re: Easy Sailing Pram designs

    If you are after something a little less traditional, how about a firebug?

    http://www.firebug.co.nz


    https://www.woodenboat.com/boat-plans-kits/firebug



    They look a bit like a floating wardrobe but go amazingly well. I have seen a number of demon battles between skippers with weights ranging from a bout 40kg to over 100kg.
    The juniors who have them like that they are more of a "real boat" than an opti, while being not too technical and coming up dry if they tip.
    At the other end of the scale there are a couple of older guys, like Tom in the picture, who have a lot of fun in an undemanding boat.

    Just another option

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