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    Default It's better to be born rich than smart.

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    This is according to a study following kindergartners from 1989:

    It’s better to be born rich than smart.

    That’s the sobering takeaway of a new national study released by Georgetown University on Wednesday that suggests a child's success in life is shaped less by their innate talents and more by their social standing and life circumstances from birth to early adulthood.

    Specifically, researchers found that seven out of 10 wealthy kindergarten students with low test scores were affluent by age 25, compared to only three out of 10 high-scoring kindergarten students from poor families who were affluent by early adulthood.

    "If you’re born well off and you don’t show talent, you have a better chance of ending up in a good job than if you’re a low-income, talented student," said Tony Carnavale, director of Georgetown's Center on Education and the Workforce, which produced the study.

    Study followed kindergartners from 1989
    The new study is unusual for its breadth and depth. Four researchers at Georgetown combined national data sets to follow the school and career trajectories of a representative sample of students in public and private schools.

    They started with a group of kindergartners in the 1989-90 school year and tracked students through high school, college and into the labor market.

    The researchers studied students' test scores, college enrollment and attainment, and the prestige of their occupation, if they secured one.

    The findings challenged the notion that America's K-12 education system is a great equalizer. For example, nearly 40% of low-income kindergartners still had a low socioeconomic status by adulthood.

    Researchers also found the achievement gap was already well established in kindergarten. Starting out, 74% of the wealthiest kindergarten students scored in the top half of the scale in math, compared to 23% of the poorest kindergartners.

    As the students grew up, both groups — higher income and low income — wobbled academically, but wealthier students were more likely to rebound.

    "When the high-scoring poor kids inevitably stumbled, their scores were more likely to decline and then stay low over time," the study said.

    More here: https://www.freep.com/story/news/edu...rt/1193938001/
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    It's a disappointing study, if ever there was one.
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    You can be born rich and be as stupid as Trump and still lose billions.
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    I would hope that a follow up study would look at the programs that are most successful at elevating the achievement of the less well to do students

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    This is according to a study following kindergartners from 1989:
    From last year: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...animation.html You can roll your own gender/race/income comparison.

    But as the link in the original post indicates, rich people spend a lot on enrichment.

    The findings challenged the notion that America's K-12 education system is a great equalizer.
    I never had that notion. Using the interactive graphic at the bottom of my link and using the second lowest quintile, and white males one gets a relatively equal distribution of outcomes. Life is not as unequal as the link in the original post might want us to believe.

    Race seems to be a much bigger factor than income.
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    So will someone come along and argue that people who are rich get that way because they're genetically superior, and hence are likely to have superior children? Anyone?
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    ^ gawd loves them more..

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    The "Old Boy Net" is a major factor
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    Isn't it true that in the US,school districts are funded by local taxes? ie,poor neighbourhoods will have lower funding for education than more affluent places?
    We have school boards funded by property taxes,but paid out by the province on a 'dollars per student' basis.
    Bigger schools get more money and have better facilities,but they also subsidize smaller schools.

    The other thing is that often,rich people REALLY care about money and the acquisition of more.
    So, culturally it is really important.

    Lots of us less affluent people really aren't into making more money and are happy to smell the roses and f**k the dog.

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    If you start out poor you are almost never going to be rich by 25. Some people who start out poor will eventually excel at their career and become affluent, but they are all still paying off student loans and living on ramen at 25. The study needs more time to paint the whole picture, though I'm sure the results will not change much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    So will someone come along and argue that people who are rich get that way because they're genetically superior, and hence are likely to have superior children? Anyone?
    There is a fine line between genetics and family.

    My wife, myself, and our siblings had parents who realized education provided opportunity. We not only passed that appreciation down to our kids, but we expanded it. Our kids and the other relatives in that generation have further expanded on that appreciation to their kids.

    On the other hand, there is a story about an individual in the UK who provided scholarships for disadvantaged students. They did well in college, but lacked the support system to get good jobs afterwards. The individual now provides that support.

    Overall there appear to be a large number of anecdotes about teachers providing the support that disadvantaged, but smart kids need but the family does not provide. But that support ends before a job is obtained.

    It is not clear that there is a way of improving schools that solves the support problem. At some point support ands and the students are on their own.
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    Being born rich, inherently lazy and stupid means he will eventually come to screw his smarter buddies trophy wives...

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    Default Re: It's better to be born rich than smart.

    The study began in 1989 with kindergarten age kids. The early subjects would now be 35 or 36. The data appears to be there.

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