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    thanks for that

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    Looks you got this under control. I'd stand in the spot you expect to be in an early summer morning and be sure you are well illuminated! Good luck with the project. / Jim

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    Also, while I had the excavator, moved the chicken coop. Which started life as an additional room for a travel trailer.

    Norma and I and our babies lived on the farm for a couple years, 20 y.a., in a trailer. I built this box to give us a little breathing room. Now my chickens and pheasants are enjoying it.

    The location for the past 15 years or so, under the cherry tree I like, known as "the lodge", guest bedroom etc. P.t. skids and reinforcement added in anticipation of the big move:

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    On the move:

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    Glow of the brooding lamp of an evening:

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    Reckon I got my $375 worth out of that 24 hr excavator rental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas View Post
    Looks you got this under control. I'd stand in the spot you expect to be in an early summer morning and be sure you are well illuminated! Good luck with the project. / Jim
    Thanks Jim, I am positively glowing, see post #35

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    That's looking fantastic! Renting an excavator is definitely the way to go.

    I'd rent a ditch-witch too, except I was at an auction a few years ago & no one was really bidding... Did 2 jobs for friends at 1/2 the rental price & paid for it.

    Too bad it's so far away - I'd cut you a heck of a deal.
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    You'll need to cut down that tree next to the old shed. / Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas View Post
    You'll need to cut down that tree next to the old shed. / Jim
    The tree stays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    That's looking fantastic! Renting an excavator is definitely the way to go.

    I'd rent a ditch-witch too, except I was at an auction a few years ago & no one was really bidding... Did 2 jobs for friends at 1/2 the rental price & paid for it.

    Too bad it's so far away - I'd cut you a heck of a deal.
    It is too bad. Sooo much trenching to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    It is too bad. Sooo much trenching to do.
    Mine's a gas powered walk-behind (25HP IIRC). Theoretically goes 4' deep. My experience is that it will - but at inches per minute. If you're doing water lines - rent a bigger one. 18" for electrical is a piece of cake though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Mine's a gas powered walk-behind (25HP IIRC). Theoretically goes 4' deep. My experience is that it will - but at inches per minute. If you're doing water lines - rent a bigger one. 18" for electrical is a piece of cake though.
    18" is plenty deep for water line here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    18" is plenty deep for water line here...
    Oh right - it's a banana plantation!
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    One thing this project has already taught me, my perception of the house/shed/paddock grade was not accurate. There is more slope than I thought.

    My 60' long pad drops about 8". I am going to pour at that slope, 1/8" per foot. Don't want a 12"+ step on the west end, and I am not bothered by a sloped floor. It's a feature, not a bug.

    For simplicity sake in forming and pouring (monopour), the slab will be continuous to the perimeter, so the wood frame walls will need to grow from east to west in order to level the roof line. That's easier for me than mucking around with concrete stem walls.

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    Sounds a little crazy to me. Though we did pour a sloped floor up in Brooklin for a crawl space. But for a workshop?
    You need to set a form for the perimeter, why not just set that level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    Sounds a little crazy to me. Though we did pour a sloped floor up in Brooklin for a crawl space. But for a workshop?
    You need to set a form for the perimeter, why not just set that level?
    Any garage slab will be sloped, per code, eh? I've never experienced a problem working on a sloped floor. Plus, you can hose it out.

    If I build it level, the west end would be 12"+ above grade. I intend to have vehicle access doors. I could pour ramps but 1) I don't wanna and 2) there are leach lines out there.

    Following a gentle grade with a slab is fairly common with barns, pole buildings etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I wouldn't.

    What you want is probably R-Panel, or PBR. I covered the Dale house in M-Panel that I bought used off Craigslist for $500. Nice, heavy stuff.

    Corrugated is cheap, but . . .





    Yes they have.

    Not to tweak ya, but I have always fared better in a shop that was just a little small.

    It forces one to get organized and STAY organized. People share one property with the gases. We tend to expand to fill the available volume.
    I have heard this referred to as the law of available space. We will acquire enough "stuff" to fill all available space...the first corollary is the law of flat spaces...we will acquire enough "stuff" to cover all flat surfaces. This quickly becomes a circular conversation...I have filled all my flat surfaces, I need to build another bench...I have an empty bench, I need more stuff.

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    Actually, I could ask the brain trust, "what would you do?" Or, to put it gengland style, "do you think my slab should be level?"

    A lay of the land for clarity:

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    The negative numbers are inches below the zero grade I establish about 12' from the east wall. This might coincide with top of slab. I am expecting to regrade the whole area to the east when I bulldoze the old shop, so the slope down to the shop should be reduced a bit.

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    You're talking 8" of slope over 60 ft?

    That's just a it over 1/8" per ft. I'm no architect, but that's ain't much.
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    I'd be inclined to build it level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J P View Post
    I'd be inclined to build it level.
    It will be level, for sure...across the short axis. That's a good compromise, right?

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    Just for reference, the old dairy barn, which I'm rather fond of and which will be staying, drops about 12" in 50'. The whole building, not just the slab. Walls, roof line, loft floor....

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    What I see done here a lot, is to add a row or two block on top of the slab where it's below grade, but I can't imagine a slope as gentle you propose would be a problem. Pretty place you have there congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    What I see done here a lot, is to add a row or two block on top of the slab where it's below grade, but I can't imagine a slope as gentle you propose would be a problem. Pretty place you have there congratulations.
    Thanks, Chris.

    Are you suggesting one might monopour the slab level, with, in my case, the slab actually below grade on one end, so as to reduce relative height at the other end, and then build up the below grade end with a block and mortar stem wall?

    I could see how that might work fine in some places. Around here with our moisture, and with the general grade of my property, I don't think it would be wise.

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    So your studs are going to be "no 2 the same"? Or is the whole building going to be built out of plumb?

    It would be less work in the long run to start off square and level with a footing, foundation to 12" above grade at the high end and stepped to 8" above at the low end, perimeter drain, gravel ramp at the low end and pour the slab level and flush with the top of the 8" wall inside of that. Am I missing something?
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    Folks donít build so close to grade here. What would happen is winter. The snow will fall. And it will pile up. Say you have three or four feet of snow on the ground. Then you get a warm spell, maybe into the high 30s f. The snow all gets mushy. Then a cold snap and it all freezes solid again. You think all is well but then another warm spell comes. Maybe with a couple of inches of rain. Which has nowhere else to go but inside your building because thereís a three foot high ice berm all around it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    18" is plenty deep for water line here...
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    Around here a few days of hard rain will work its way into a shop built on grade... the slab is maybe just damp. Which is a miserable place to work.
    It will find a way.
    Didn't you post a picture of a previously flooded crawl space?

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    3/4" Class 2 Permeable drain rock...

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    ^Right! That's what I meant!

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    I’d pour a stem wall to get my walls well above grade , and I’d pour a level slab inside the stem wall, with good French drains around the exterior that where below the footings of the stem walls.

    18” on a water line is minimal below grade for water, I’d go at least 24” , 30” would be better and not much more effort with a machine digging the trench.
    I’d bring power under ground as well and gas , all in the same trench with proper separation.

    Slab on grade sucks, it’s a “California “ idea that’s proven to suck.

    You call it a shop , but want it to be a equipment garage? Or is it a place you might bring a machine in to work on , once in a while?

    if it was a equipment barn I’d still pour stem walls and I’d slope it both ways from center for drainage IF I thought I’d really be bring machines inside for maintenance on a regular basis.


    You could pour sloped approaches on both ends for drive in access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Another country heard from!

    I will take it under advisement, Paul.

    Everybody wants a level slab. Buncha pussies.
    The shop I had in Dale sloped about 10" over 50 feet.

    I had to be careful so as not to let a cart full of parts just drift away.
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    And it made you the man you are today.
    What a twisted thing to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    it was meant to be a meaningless thing to say. same with the level slab flippery.

    i'm not fit for polite company anymore, if i ever was.
    Sorry.

    I couldn't decide which flippery emoticon to use.

    That joke may have actually played, in person.
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