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    Very comfy looking.

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    Boob knowledge eh
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    The other problems with putting metho through bread are (1) it takes a LOT of vegemite to hide the taste; and (2) toasting metho-soaked bread is a really really really bad idea. Just drink the stuff neat!

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    Well... questions have escalated to another level. We have got given whatever paperwork was there from the build and it's pretty amazing. For now the first page, mentioning a lot "Nevis", which from my googleing around shows an american boatbuilder referred to this name.

    Is our boat based on a Nevis design then?

    Pretty interesting to see how he basically went bigger on everything from the original design.

    Someone can read this language better than us, although we're slowly getting better at it... what do you see?

    Cheers!


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    Nevins was a top boatbuilder who had a set of "rules" for scantlings. The Americans on the forum would probably know more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    That lead in the bow is odd.
    To induce hogging perhaps?
    Looks like 60kgs or 70kgs?

    Cool adventure
    Since the vessel appears to have new chain did the obviously fastidious owner possibly halve the chain locker supply and substituted lead to trim.

    Aboard WB I cut my 5/16 chain back to 25 m from 75m which is a lot of weight for a small boat.

    The little antenna gizmo may well have a magnetic tip a very useful tool.

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    If she had a different name she may have been used for offshore racing, in which case the lead could have been used to induce bow-down trim to reduce the rating.

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    A lot of older boats were built with no engine or just a small engine with a small fuel tank, and just one battery. Add a bigger engine, more fuel and an extra battery, and the boat needs weight in the bow to compensate.

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    There is a stainless stem fitting up for sale on Gumtree in Adelaide at the moment. I don't know how you'd work out whether it will fit your boat but let me know if you want me to have a look, take measurements etc. Could even be worth you making up a physical template somehow and I could offer it up and see if it fits.

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    I think from all the above theories what Rick says seems to make sense. I believe she was an ocean racer in the past (a radio license from when she was launched states her intentions) and I have found an old plugged shaft-hole (better names for that must exist) higher than the one that its currently being used by the Beta 20 on board.

    Things are escalating and slowing down at the same time as the weather allows both to happen. We've got ourselves to be in a cold and damp place and it's hard to get the chill out of the body to have productive days, so we're taking it as it comes.

    Since last updates, we have been focusing on stopping the water from coming down below as much as possible. We've spotted more rot (surprise!) on different areas of the deck and we've temporarily overbored, epoxied and redrilled two stanchion bases with wooden backing plates, washers and bolt and nut. We've also stopped the water from coming down through the starboard chainplate, as it had done for some time damaging tools and equipment that was sitting on the boat.

    First mate has been focused on the starboard handrail, as it was rotten almost all the way (but at least it did not let water in!) and we've been crashing our heads trying to find a similar one or a solution. The teachings from that came down to actually have to use our first dynel to cover some of the exposed timber since the old handrail took the canvas when we took it off, practising with fillers and seeing what result we get.

    This jobs have been teaching us confidence, have been our first epoxy experiences and understanding, and have brought an immediate feedback as there's substantially less water coming in as it was before, but at the same time we're realising the amount of work to be done on top of the standard wooden boat owner style type of thing

    Small portholes were also a drip drop party, but on those ones we believe we've done a "proper" job. I'm not sure of the material, silver but not aluminium, some sort of cast bronze or so. They're old and they use glass, but since they're the two small ones in the forward part of the main cabin we simply opened them (as there function was once upon a time), cleaned all the old bedding apart (a mix of silicone, sika and foam) and re-bedded with foam and butyl tape. We tried to fill it all up with butyl (since we're not going to open them) but the wear and the 'space' left did not wok, so we put new gasket and then assured the bedding with butyl. Rain is falling as I write and not a drop there.

    More work to come in those lines are some of the side portholes. One of them, and most probably the cause of why the old-ancient depth sounder is not working, leaks quite a bit pretty much where the depth sounder sits and then travels down. This one seems to have a deeper history on the last owner, as there is a ****ton of bog and what not around the area where the porthole is fastened. I can see in the distance of future jobs that we might need to "add" some framing since he's mounted it over an older one, bigger one, and tried to keep it watertight in a... cheap? way.

    I spent yesterday a good amount of daylight and some nighttime into replacing the fuel line coming from the main tank to the day tank since it gave me the shivers to look at it, touch it and think about it. It was reinforced water hose and it was stiff as a rock, all the way. It had a leaky electric fuel pump (which I believe it was ment to be for water), about 3 different copper-pipe "links" and a real good sense of being very old and not being replaced when the new engine came. I have observed this pattern in quite some things in this boat. New things, but kept the old fitting/cable/pipe. Not how I would do things, but I guess that's what we're here for. For now, I put an in-line bleeding bulb to be able to pump fuel into the day tank, although I have ordered and received an electrical fuel pump, I want to try and get the sediment out of the tank one day, or even take it off and completely clean it. But not just yet. So I stick to manual non-clogging and eventually the bulb can help prime the electrical one too.

    I also changed the two primary filters/water separators and cleaned them all up, as well as the engine fuel filter. A good first experience with positive result with the whole bleeding the engine working by the end of the day. When darkness came (early anyway) was time for the oil, and this engine seems to have a simple system with the sump-pump being preinstalled in the system. Changed the oil filter too and seems to be all fine.

    The focus on getting the engine as good as it can be is that we're taking her out of the water next week and we've got a bit of motoring to do to get there. The rig is not to be used since the forestay is off but I will still keep the tension in the haliards that are holding the mast and have a little sail ready in case there's no other option. An anchor and rode will also be ready on deck.

    Will be a fun first trip, with no depth reading and no rig!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    There is a stainless stem fitting up for sale on Gumtree in Adelaide at the moment. I don't know how you'd work out whether it will fit your boat but let me know if you want me to have a look, take measurements etc. Could even be worth you making up a physical template somehow and I could offer it up and see if it fits.

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    Thanks Phil!

    Tried to find it, have you got a link?


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    Many boat owners in the PNW used a 60 - 80 W bulb left on permanently to reduce moisture in their vessels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JorgeR View Post
    Thanks Phil!

    Tried to find it, have you got a link?


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    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glen...ing/1221408236

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    Whoa, on the first picture I got excited! But then I saw that is a whole three-dimensional piece (including the stem protection) and that won't fit for sure. The angle is bigger and wouldn't fit without having to cut it off. Infinite thanks Phil!


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    No worries, just stumbled upon it and thought it might work. You'd be extra lucky to find all the angles the same though. Unless you know a bloke who is pretty handy with an angle grinder and a welder.....

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    Following with much interest. I met Jorje and Jodi in Adelaide. I've lost touch with them and I was wondering about Siquando as well as them.


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    Hi Siquando, nice vid of your boat. Ive re posted it. I noticed mention earlier in the thread of an ozfridge. They are pretty good as most of the wooden boats around here have them.
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    Gonna need more info and better pics.
    In the one pic shown, It looks like strip planking.
    Where on the boat is it happening?
    Is it all over the boat?
    Is "bog" epoxy?
    Is the dark color spray paint?
    Sanding back and using fg is probably not the best thing to do.
    Is the deck leaking above the hull cracking?

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    A broader photo to show the location might help, but if you think that it’s below a deck repair you may have some rot between the diagonal layers. So it may be worth exploring a bit deeper through the layers, you could take a core with a small circular saw that you can fill easily with a plug later on if there’s nothing nasty found.

    If there is rot between the layers you will need to cut it out as far as it spreads and do a local repair, glassing over it without removing the rot will just promote more rot below the glass.

    Repairing it isn’t its scary as it might sound.
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    more photos please
    Maybe those bolts are holding stantion base and maybe that hole is a scupper or hause and maybe the crack is diagonal and maybe there are more cracks and maybe the 3 nails serve a purpose related to the leak....but we cannot be sure cuz the photo is lonely.

    by n by, if the boat is epoxy cold molded wood, one uses epoxy and wood for repair, not sika or whatever thermalite iz.
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    Bruce, it’s triple diagonal Oregon (DF) dynel sheathed - this looks like a shrinkage on a strip of the outer diagonal layup........Cause? Moisture and drying cycle under the sheathing?
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    So it’s directly below a stanchion that I’m assuming is screwed into the deck as well as the tow rail..?????.. a likely cause of fresh water ingress under the sheathing.

    I must confess that I am surprised that you aren’t taking any heed of the warning that there is likely to be rot or more damage in the layers underneath the visible outer one. By sealing over the top you are just sealing it in to continue to grow.......or are you banking on that being someone else’s problem?? Which, if you think it has happened before, is likely what the previous owner thought....
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    Rusty fastenings underneath would expand causing the sheathing to crack. Is it just the sheathing that's cracking or the transom timber as well?
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    Looking at post #102 - is the wood darker around those penetrations? Under the glass?
    Could be water getting in. Can you see the inside of that area?

    I'd be inclined to do what you did to the area on the side, under the stanchion. Grind it back and check out that dark wood.
    Any penetrations in the deck or deck/hull join above?


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    I think you should chuck away the bog. Is hardens too hard for wood, its brittle, it doesn't penetrate into the timber and form as good a bond as thickened epoxy. Fairly soon it'll flake off but not before its allowed fresh water to live under it long enough to farm some rot. On that note, never add thickened epoxy unless you've given it a good lick of thin epoxy just before.

    And ah... #90 - if you literaly don't know how to sail, you'd do worse than getting some dinghy sailing experience. Sailing isn' that hard, maintaining a boat - yeah, that's different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siquando View Post
    Cracks have appeared on the outer third layer of my Oregon cold molded hull. They appear only towards the rear of the hull, on both sides. Someone suggested this could be vibration from the motor or rudder. Has anyone else experienced this?
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    cracks in timber vertical where nails are. Here is another photo
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    ‘can’t see any of these photos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siquando View Post

    Next, sand back these steel plugs to bright metal, anti-rust and glass over. A little concerned about that black looking section in the photo above. Could this be rot or some reaction to the wood touching metal?

    If you’re talking about the vertical cracks in this photo



    if the cracks are indeed caused by rust you will most likely find that the whole fastening is rusted, not just the screw head/surface. So you’ll really need to replace the fastening altogether and depending what you find you have a couple of relatively easy options: If the fastening unscrews or pulls out cleanly you could drill the hole larger to get back to solid wood all around and use larger fastenings or, if the holes are completely manly - drip them wider still, plug the holes with timber plugs and glue and then drill in new fastenings nearby.
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    I just reread my post and noticed what fun autocorrect had with it:

    "if the holes are completely manly - drip them wider still" - should have read "if the holes are completely manky - drill them wider still"


    ​But in answer you your question: no that really doesn’t sound like a good solution to the problem......unfortunately. The Everdure won’t do anything to treat the rot nor to reinstate any integrity into the rotten timber, likewise cleaning the rust won’t reinstate any integrity into the fastenings which are more than likely beyond saving, going by the look of the steel that is exposed and the black timber around them. If they are what’s holding your chainplates to the boat I’d be very concerned the integrity of the rig, when they give way your mast will fall over....... and sadly they look pretty close to being ready to give way.

    But before panicking - how hard would it be to drift the top fastening out from inside the boat to get a decent look at it? Is there a nut holding it on from inside? That looks like the worst one and might give you a better idea of what you’re up against.





    The photos are a bit confusing, the exposed steel “caps" in the second photo don’t look like they line up with your stays so I’m wondering which "chainplates" they are attached to?

    Can you get any pics of how they look from inside the boat?




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    Siquando seems to be back on the market.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brucemoffatt View Post
    Siquando seems to be back on the market.


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