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    WOW! Is he free later this summer? 'Course, he'd have to be free and ​on the west coast Looking great, Denise!

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    Hugh sorry, you don't know. My son passed away about three and a half years ago on Dec 22nd, he was 35, 😭 the plan was for him to take over the HVAC business and me retire, open a small craft restoration shop, but that didn't happen, then he met some woman, then they had a little boy, more years went by, he didn't have custody, he was behind on child support, he got back into drugs, and as they say when they don't have an answer; "accidental overdose"😕

    He could scrape & sand the inside of a 16 or 17 ft strip canoe in a few hours! Him and I did all ribs on my 15-footer in about 2 hours!
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    Sorry about that Denise. That's an all to familiar tale and all the more tragic for that fact. So....I guess when I do the inside of my Skerry I'll have to let him watch over my shoulder (along with my Dad and several friends).

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    Thank you Hugh, Time heals only barely.

    So here is the next morning after epoxy lay down...I know I'm not the only one that goes down first thing in the morning and starts touching to see if it's cured!

    Nobody wants the nightmare of uncured epoxy and the nightmare it presents!

    (Bulkhead is just set in place it's not glued in yet.). I still see no problem with doing the bulkhead to the seat fillets upside down and setting it in place afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
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    (Bulkhead is just set in place it's not glued in yet.). I still see no problem with doing the bulkhead to the seat fillets upside down and setting it in place afterwards.
    "spot welds" held in place w/ weights w/ the assembly plumb'd sounds like A PLAN ;-)

    drilling a pilot hole for finalizing the daggerboard opening might be in ordebr />
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    Thank you! I'm really enjoying building this little boat! Even though I still dislike using epoxy and glass)

    So I'm looking at some photos of these eastport prams, a lot of them have kick up rudders, I don't see a real necessity there because, it has a dagger board, if it had centerboard a kick up rudder my make sense.

    Thoughts on a weighted daggerboard?
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    the kick up rudder will aid you when beaching after you start pulling the daggerboard up

    or so it was when i was still sailing a Sunfish

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    SW, I do know all that, I had a KUR on my hunter 23 it was a PITA. Also, I tend to not beach a craft bearing epoxy and paint. Water booties are a pretty low investment to save wear and tear
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    Looks like I'll be ordering the book

    Dusty or anyone else that's built this boat it does appear that the bow and Stern seats are designed to puddle water is this the first thing I don't like about this boat other than the shortness? 🤔🙄😏
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    Looks like I'll be ordering the book

    Dusty or anyone else that's built this boat it does appear that the bow and Stern seats are designed to puddle water is this the first thing I don't like about this boat other than the shortness? 樂
    Mine are attached to the hull with a slight fore/aft angle that sheds water. I haven't noticed any puddles. Keep in mind that I have the nesting version so your plans are a little different. All seats and thwarts on mine are removable, especially the rear seat which is removed every time the boat is nested. Your elevation plans should provide the proper location of the seats. The only thing that I can think of is that because your hull is a smidge wider than the spec called out ( as evidenced by the gaps between the strakes and transoms) the seats might be fitting lower than the proper height.

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    The bow seat and bulkhead are almost perfectly level, the center and trunk are perfect, the transom seat could easily be trimmed to get it level and I just want to see what the books says, it should be here in a couple days.

    looking at the rudder, it's almost silly how easy it would be to make it into a kick up,. The cheek panels are a bit too thin and would have to be 3/4 inch I guess, or aluminum plate but that could be overkill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    looking at the rudder, it's almost silly how easy it would be to make it into a kick up,. The cheek panels are a bit too thin and would have to be 3/4 inch I guess, or aluminum plate but that could be overkill.
    The plans have details for an elegantly shaped rudder head. It was pretty easy to make. I almost always launch off a beach so for me this was a given. The plans call out 1/4" ply for the rudderhead cheeks. It has a large bearing surface for the rudder so 1/4" is plenty stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Yevsky View Post
    The plans have details for an elegantly shaped rudder head. It was pretty easy to make. I almost always launch off a beach so for me this was a given. The plans call out 1/4" ply for the rudderhead cheeks. It has a large bearing surface for the rudder so 1/4" is plenty stiff.
    I think I'll play around with bandsaw hacking of brand new rudder stock. It sure is pretty and begs to be glued together as one piece but it looks like nothing more complicated than drilling a hole for a carriage bolt with a knob, and a straight or half round cut at the top of the rudder where it fits between the cheeks? (Think I'll go take some pictures now) 🤔


    Didn't cut anything yet!

    First I think that radius is too much but whatever it should the pivot bolt has to be on 1/2 the diameter to swing smoothly?
    I quess the cheeks will need have to be some sort of the channel to mount the lower and upper pintals.
    I just had an "ah ha" moment!
    No pintals & grudgeons in the bags!


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    Can you tell it's a rainy day here? I'm sitting around doing dry run mock-ups and taking pictures!

    Not to be skunked .. I picked these up 25 + years ago at Hamilton Marine when I was in Maine.

    They have about 3/4" width. I'll be interested to see how CLC wants to do their rudder hardware I'll hold off on doing anything until the book gets here.



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    More futzing
    Rounded off the corners and chamfered edges,the seat moved back where it was supposed to be, even has a slight downhill pitch which is impossible to tell without lines and levels. I understand the mast a rake needs to be 3 degrees.



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    Still fussing, clamped the outrails on for prebend.

    It appears I've encountered the first problem. The front bulkhead if put where it's specified it has about .75" space all around. if I move it forward to where it "fits" inside the boat it's about an 1.5" too far forward.

    my booklet is in transit, so I'm waiting patiently.

    Mulling it over, the bulkhead doesn't seem to be a critical location, the mast location is, if I put the bulkhead forward I can add a vertical mahogany block to support the mast step and partner (big words for a little boat.)

    I have three levels and I check check and check

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    what would happen if you put a cinch strap around her middle ?

    wondering if she could have curled up on the ends making her more beamy ?

    justa ponderment

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    SW, the center bulkhead fits perfectly and that pretty much sets the beam of the boat perfectly. I think the bow is just a little wider than it should be because the planks were glued up with looseness in the joints.

    I want to double-check the mast step location before I fillet anything in place.



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    sorry, i tried

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    And I appreciate it! it's always good to question suggest what I'm doing, now that I'm old I question everything I'm doing!

    I don't know how, but afterI trimmed off about 3/16" from the bottom of the front bulkhead, everything looks right!

    Even the mast partner ( hole ) is 15 + - 1/8" from the bow!

    Still not filleting just yet.

    along with can't have too many clamps you can add to that can't have too many levels. 🤣
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    Dusty, could you double check my measurement for the mast? I think I've got it right 15 -1/8"



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    4/29 little bit of progress today. installed the fwd & aft bulkheads, glued the pre-cut mast scarf, added some mahogany to the transom because I don't like weak transoms or thin plywood for rudder hardware. It's not really needed on this boat, but that never stops the engineer in me. 😱

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    Nice! I feel like such a slacker

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    In case anybody is wondering, I have tape on my workbench underneath the glue, joint & clamp boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    In case anybody is wondering, I have tape on my workbench underneath the glue, joint & clamp boards.

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    no reason to wonder

    you would have told us if you had glued it to the bench top ;-)

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    Speaking of; something really weird happened on my bench a couple weeks ago,

    I had just oiled it with BLO.
    Sometime after, unbeknownst to me, about a half a bottle of drinking water spilled on it, turned about 2 ft square totally black and moldy! I didn't take pictures It was a beech scraping and sanding it off!

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    Taking the day off from boat building, next on the list is cutting a hole in the bottom of the boat, guess I need to get my courage up. 😱

    Glass the opening? Or, just fillets. I'll do some thickness measurements of the dagger board.

    I had a thoughts of making graphite epoxy "wear strips" instead of doing the whole daggerboard in graphite epoxy.

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    A few hours out and about on a lovely spring day at 65 degrees...

    Relaxed a bit, had some dinner...

    Feeling assertive...

    "Fillet O Poxy"
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    Using tape made for nice fillets!

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    Nice! So you decided to not do the center thwart as a second sub-assembly so you could do the fillets on the bench? I'm taking notes, y'know so I'll have ideas in mind when I fire up my Skerry

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    Looking great Denise! But enough of all this talk of fillets, proper alignment of the structural members, gluing technique and other trivia. The important thing is, what color are you going to paint your pram!?

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    Hugh! When I realized how many things had to be in alignment I felt it would be difficult out of the boat. It shouldn't be difficult to do the upside down fillets.

    Chris! I've already decided on the same Rustoleo almond color that I painted my canoe with. I'll need to do a test patch to make sure it dries on epoxy.

    I actually did get nervous cutting that hole in the bottom..

    The mast scarf has cured 3 days now so I think it's safe to start working on it. I want to taper the mast near the top at least slightly, anyone's thoughts on that?
    I don't particularly like CLCs low-budget way of rigging but I'll deal with that later.

    Thank you all for the encouragement, positive (and negative) input!

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    I like that almond color myself as well Denise. It's going to look great. Can't wait to see it in the water

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    If I'm posting too many pictures maybe I should stop but I thought everybody here loves pictures, it's become so easy with Tapatalk.

    Adventures in clamping, I would have thought of this eventually (REALLY!) but a friend suggested ...

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    i used rustoleum on my CLC EastPort and it did take a while to cure over the pox saturated wood and glass

    less than a week IIRC

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