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    Hi All,
    Just joined the forum after picking up an old Sneakbox. I live a mile or so from Barnegat Bay on the NJ shore. Sneakboxes were pretty common at one time. I found this one hanging in a barn. It had been there for nearly twenty years. I only got it since the owner had passed away and the property was being sold - everything had to go. Anyway the boat itself is in pretty good condition; mast, boom, gaff, rudder, etc. are all solid



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    I'm intrigued by an old wood boat. I did build a cedar strip kayak from Nick Schade's book, so I do have some wood-working skills, but I don't have a lot of knowledge or experience with restoring an older boat. I need rigging and a sail. I've been trying to track down a sail locally, but no luck so far. Now that winter is almost behind me, I'm looking forward to try to get the boat on the water.

    So, advice and suggestions are much appreciated.
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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    Score! You are SO lucky!

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    What Rob said, and welcome to the Forum.
    For advice, we will need lots of pictures. Those gappy seams for one, plus inboard when you have her cleaned out. n That way you will get factual advice rather than guesswork.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    This looks like one of the Beaton 15 footers; I think they are still raced. Am sure some of the Jersey folks will chime in.
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    I'd get my hands on a copy of Howard Chappelle's American Small Sailing Craft. That will help determine size of sail. Also, there is a maritime museum--Tom's River Seaport--that I once visited. I believe they have a sneakbox or two on site you can view--they likely have specs and scantlings, too. Worth a check.

    I'd also Google owner's groups, maybe, " Sneakbox Owners" or some such.

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    You might find some helpful advice here: http://traditionalsmallcraft.com/index.html
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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    I grew up on Barnegat Bay, a similar sneakbox was my first sailboat.

    I loved that boat.

    Yes, as Ben says that may well be a Beaton built boat. Go to Beaton's yard (a short drive from Brielle, just off the Mantaloking bridge, and they will be able to help you out. They always were helpful to me.

    They got hit pretty hard by Sandy but I believe they are still there.

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    Rich,
    I'm certain you can measure the mast from the sheaves to the goose neck and the boom as well and come up with the sail dimensions. Having the proper sail track guides will be important.
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    Welcome to the Forum.
    How are the hull plank seams? Still tight or opened up? Boat might have to be caulked before launching.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Yes, you absolutely need to get to Beaton Brothers and listen to them! She should be planked with Jersey white cedar (there is not a much better wood for planking a small boat.). I would not do any caulking before putting her in the water and letting her swell for a good 3-5 days, (but listen to Beatons) that cedar will surprise you with how much it swells up after drying out for a long time.

    looking forward to more pictures!
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    The one design fleet of 15 footers that is currently racing can be found here: http://www.bbyra.org/fleet/G_index.shtml. These were boats built by Perrine; I think Beaton may have built some as well. I can't tell from your pic if you have the cat rigged or sloop rigged sneakbox.
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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    Looks to be in really good shape. Pretty.
    I'm looking forward to seeing more...

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    Thanks all. To address your querstions:
    - The boat is a 15' cat rigged Sneakbox. As far as I can tell, the wood and caulking is in very good shape. I haven't put it in the water yet to see if it leaks, but I did run a hose into the boat and very little leaked out. So there's nothing obviously at fault.

    - I visited the Toms River Seaport museum. The one young woman on hand could barely say Sneakbox. She knew nothing. They did have a couple of small gaff-rigged sailboats, but no sneakboxes like mine. I may visit the Tuckerton museum. I understand they have a more complete Jersey boat selection.

    - I've been to Beaton Brother's marina to look for a sail. He's willing to custom make me a sail, but he didn't encourage me to go that way. It would be too expensive for him to do it. He suggested that I try to find a used sail in the racing community.

    - Not sure who built the boat. There is a small 1"x3" mark at the rear of the cockpit coaming - probably where a small brass plaque was attacked. The plaque is missing.

    A couple of you have asked for more photos. What do you want to see? Anything specific?

    thanks,
    RichW

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    I would track down the BBRA 15 foot sneakbox class. I think yours is one of them. Racing classes always have used sails. And if you know the former owners name, you may find it in a roster.
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    You can also check here: http://www.derouvillesboatshop.com/

    The plans are published in: Sailing Craft by Edwin J. Schoettle

    An online search shows a number of copies from used book sites starting around $10.

    I'd track down the class association and try to purchase a used sail from one of the racers. http://www.bbyra.org/fleet/G_index.shtml

    Don't go stuffing anything in the seams before swelling it up. Chances are the boat will swell up tight in a few days. Messing with the seams while the boat is dry is asking for trouble.

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    And filling a dry carvel planked skiff can lead to trouble. They're designed to keep the water out not keep it in. But you probably know that.

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    Hah! Pretty obvious, but certainly worth mentioning.
    I only added about a gallon total of water to the inside, just a quick spritz with the hose. Water only came out when I pulled the bung out of the transom.

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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    So, not much happened during the winter on my old sneakbox. It is now nice and comfy on a real trailer.
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    I'm still looking for a sail. Had no luck so far, even right here on the Jersey Shore. The boat was probably built only a few miles from where I live. A friend mentioned using Sailrite to make a kit sail. Anyone done this? Does anyone have the dimensions for the sail? It's a 15' sneakbox, gaff rig.
    Thx

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    I stitched my own sail from a Sailrite kit. Came out nice. The kit was nice. Pretty easy actually. Good price.

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    Taking measurements from the spars should get you pretty close to the size of the sail.

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    Right -- measure the spars and talk to Sailrite. I think they'll be happy to fix you up with something. The angle of the gaff will be the big question.
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    Rich,

    You should be able to get close to the gaff angle with this.
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    Default Re: Barn Find - Barnegat Bay Sneakbox

    So a little on line searching brought me to the Independence Seaport Museum in Philadelphia, PA, USA. They have an archive of small boat info here:
    http://www.phillyseaport.org/small-craft-plans

    I contacted them and they responded with a sail plan for my boat:
    Beaton 15' Barnegat Bay sneakbox - Sail plan.jpg

    Many thanks to Debbie at the museum the Archivist who sent me the info.

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    The folks at the Tuckerton Seaport & Baymen's Museum have a whole bunch of sneakboxes. There's a boatbuilding shop right there where they build and maintain these classics. They would certainly have all the information you need to make a sail or have one made.
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    Looks like you are on your way aboard a true classic!
    Welcome to the world of wooden boats and our forum!
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    So I was very lucky with this boat - again.
    A very generous donation came my way. A little rigging work and I'm on my way.
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    Some snippets, http://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nhb/SNEAK.HTM

    I'm away from the personal library at present, but if nobody turns up what Chapelle has to say, then I'll look on Monday.

    Edit: Oh derp, read more carefully, that's THE sail plan you got already.
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    Outstanding!

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    And so it goes into the water for a first sail.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichW View Post
    And so it goes into the water for a first sail.....

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    Excellent.
    Now the fine tuning, peak up the sail more and ease off the topping lift.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Looks great! but you might peak up the gaff and get rid of the wrinkle.

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    Much leakage from dried out planking?
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    Lovely story with a 1st class ending. Enjoy!

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