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    Why am I not surprised? Barr made his antipathy towards the investigation quite well known by writing an unsolicited memo to the DOJ, in which he more or less said that a President was entitled to shut down any investigation of himself within the DOJ.... essentially rendering him 'above the law'.

    We learned last night that special counsel Robert Mueller sent summaries of his work to Attorney General William Barr, presumably for public release. However, government sources told the New York Times that those summaries contained “sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential.”

    Law professor Jed Shugarman notes that members of the Mueller team, talking to the Washington Post, flatly contradicted this assertion.

    Those sources say the summaries were written “so that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately… It was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself.”

    Instead, Barr chose to ignore them entirely and write his own four page “summary” even though he later backtracked and insisted it was not actually a summary.

    It’s increasingly obvious that Barr did his best to spin Mueller’s findings in a way that suggested Trump had done nothing wrong.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    NBC News is also reporting that some on the Mueller team say his findings paint a picture of a campaign whose members were was manipulated by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation. Some of that information may be classified.

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    Don't worry, Barr.

    There'll be plenty.

    Rattling the teacups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    NBC News is also reporting that some on the Mueller team say his findings paint a picture of a campaign whose members were was manipulated by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation. Some of that information may be classified.
    Well now.
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    The Mueller report had a summary but Barr’s non-summary summary got the first sound byte. With “fully exonerated” circling the country it’ll take more brain cells than the average American can spare to process the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    NBC News is also reporting that some on the Mueller team say his findings paint a picture of a campaign whose members were was manipulated by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation. Some of that information may be classified.
    I always believed more in the “useful idiots” theory than the “criminal mastermind” theory. I believe Donald Trump and his team were too unintelligent and unsophisticated to organize something. But if they knew they were benefitting from Russian interference and allowed it to happen and didn’t report it, that’s still a crime, perhaps even treason.

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    William Barr Seems to Be Covering Up Something Bad for Trump



    Last evening, the Wall Street Journal editorialized that reporters and House Democrats were smearing Attorney General William Barr by implying that his summary of the Mueller report was anything other than completely faithful and representative. The Journal sneered at “the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.” This was “preposterous,” the editorial explained, because Barr “surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties.”
    The editorial was published at 7:24 p.m. Minutes before, and probably too late to make any alterations, the New York Times broke the news that Barr was in fact contradicted. How could anybody think Barr would be stupid enough to lie when Mueller could expose him, asks the Journal, at almost literally the precise moment when Mueller’s team exposes Barr for lying.
    The Times reports that Mueller’s famously leak-free team was moved to break its silence by Barr’s slanted summary of its work. The news from the Times, as well as the follow-up report from the Washington Post, conveys very little information about the substance of the report. There’s no reason to doubt Barr’s conclusion that Mueller was unable to establish a criminal conspiracy between Donald Trump and the Russian government. Whether the unflattering information in the report contains evidence of noncriminal misconduct with Russia — remember, collusion is not a crime — or centers entirely around obstruction of justice remains to be seen.

    It does seem clear, though, that Barr has not been dealing from the top of the deck. More evidence of his bad faith can be found in his putative reason for abridging Mueller’s conclusions. The special counsel’s report provided summaries of its work. The Times, apparently relying on Justice Department sources, reports that Mueller’s summaries could not be published, because they “contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.”
    But the special counsel flatly contradicts this in its leak to the Post. The summaries, says a special counsel source, were deliberately written “so that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately — or very quickly … It was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself.”

    (Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman spotted this contradiction.) It’s possible, of course, the Justice Department is right and the special counsel is wrong. But it seems far more likely that Barr has, at minimum, spun the report in the most favorable way, in order to create the impression that it has cleared Trump. This has enabled the president and his defenders to spike the football, and present any efforts to examine the actual report as sore losers demanding to play overtime after the game has been decided.
    NBC News adds more reporting on two important counts. On obstruction of justice, it “includes more information than has been made public.” This is significant because Barr’s letter was ambiguous on this point, stating that “most of [Trump’s actions] have been the subject of public reporting.” It wasn’t clear if “most” meant “nearly all” or just “more than half.” NBC’s report points toward substantial new evidence of obstruction in the report – “most” does not mean “basically everything.” There’s more shady activity to obstruct the probe than we know....
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    Republican messaging in recent days has made it blindingly obvious the Mueller report is not a document Trump fans would enjoy reading around the fireplace. Republicans have gone from supporting its full release — which House Republicans supported last week in a unanimous vote — to cautioning against it as a distraction. Representative Devin Nunes, who has largely directed Trump’s defense in Congress and the right-wing media, appeared on Fox News last night and introduced a new term: “Mueller dossier.”

    Dossier” is the term used to (accurately) describe the reports collected by British agent Christopher Steele. Steele’s work actually was a dossier: a collection of tips and leads from sources he had some reason to credit, but not all of which would pan out. It was not a finished intelligence product.

    Mueller’s report is not a dossier. It is in fact held to a higher standard of proof than an intelligence product. As prosecutors, Mueller’s team needed to establish findings at a level that could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court.
    Nunes nonetheless used the term “dossier” three times in the span of a minute to describe Mueller’s conclusion. He is obviously priming the Trump fan base to disregard adverse findings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I always believed more in the “useful idiots” theory than the “criminal mastermind” theory. I believe Donald Trump and his team were too unintelligent and unsophisticated to organize something. But if they knew they were benefitting from Russian interference and allowed it to happen and didn’t report it, that’s still a crime, perhaps even treason.
    Wow. When Mr. Ross starts using the T word, it’s time to take notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I always believed more in the “useful idiots” theory than the “criminal mastermind” theory. I believe Donald Trump and his team were too unintelligent and unsophisticated to organize something. But if they knew they were benefitting from Russian interference and allowed it to happen and didn’t report it, that’s still a crime, perhaps even treason.
    My take as well. Trumpism is a part of a larger anti-immigrant, authoritarian and nationalist wave occuring in other countries. That Trumps affinities align with other authoritarian leaders, esp Putin, doesn’t necessarily make him an active agent, he’s already in the bag by his willingness to undermine our institutions of democracy and national security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    William Barr Seems to Be Covering Up Something Bad for Trump



    Last evening, the Wall Street Journal editorialized that reporters and House Democrats were smearing Attorney General William Barr by implying that his summary of the Mueller report was anything other than completely faithful and representative. The Journal sneered at “the impression, abetted by a press corps that was fully invested in the collusion story, that Mr. Barr is somehow lying about Mr. Mueller’s real conclusions.” This was “preposterous,” the editorial explained, because Barr “surely understood on releasing the summary of conclusions last week that he would be open to contradiction by Mr. Mueller if he took such liberties.”
    The editorial was published at 7:24 p.m. Minutes before, and probably too late to make any alterations, the New York Times broke the news that Barr was in fact contradicted. How could anybody think Barr would be stupid enough to lie when Mueller could expose him, asks the Journal, at almost literally the precise moment when Mueller’s team exposes Barr for lying.
    The Times reports that Mueller’s famously leak-free team was moved to break its silence by Barr’s slanted summary of its work. The news from the Times, as well as the follow-up report from the Washington Post, conveys very little information about the substance of the report. There’s no reason to doubt Barr’s conclusion that Mueller was unable to establish a criminal conspiracy between Donald Trump and the Russian government. Whether the unflattering information in the report contains evidence of noncriminal misconduct with Russia — remember, collusion is not a crime — or centers entirely around obstruction of justice remains to be seen.

    It does seem clear, though, that Barr has not been dealing from the top of the deck. More evidence of his bad faith can be found in his putative reason for abridging Mueller’s conclusions. The special counsel’s report provided summaries of its work. The Times, apparently relying on Justice Department sources, reports that Mueller’s summaries could not be published, because they “contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.”
    But the special counsel flatly contradicts this in its leak to the Post. The summaries, says a special counsel source, were deliberately written “so that the front matter from each section could have been released immediately — or very quickly … It was done in a way that minimum redactions, if any, would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself.”

    (Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman spotted this contradiction.) It’s possible, of course, the Justice Department is right and the special counsel is wrong. But it seems far more likely that Barr has, at minimum, spun the report in the most favorable way, in order to create the impression that it has cleared Trump. This has enabled the president and his defenders to spike the football, and present any efforts to examine the actual report as sore losers demanding to play overtime after the game has been decided.
    NBC News adds more reporting on two important counts. On obstruction of justice, it “includes more information than has been made public.” This is significant because Barr’s letter was ambiguous on this point, stating that “most of [Trump’s actions] have been the subject of public reporting.” It wasn’t clear if “most” meant “nearly all” or just “more than half.” NBC’s report points toward substantial new evidence of obstruction in the report – “most” does not mean “basically everything.” There’s more shady activity to obstruct the probe than we know....
    ...
    Republican messaging in recent days has made it blindingly obvious the Mueller report is not a document Trump fans would enjoy reading around the fireplace. Republicans have gone from supporting its full release — which House Republicans supported last week in a unanimous vote — to cautioning against it as a distraction. Representative Devin Nunes, who has largely directed Trump’s defense in Congress and the right-wing media, appeared on Fox News last night and introduced a new term: “Mueller dossier.”

    Dossier” is the term used to (accurately) describe the reports collected by British agent Christopher Steele. Steele’s work actually was a dossier: a collection of tips and leads from sources he had some reason to credit, but not all of which would pan out. It was not a finished intelligence product.

    Mueller’s report is not a dossier. It is in fact held to a higher standard of proof than an intelligence product. As prosecutors, Mueller’s team needed to establish findings at a level that could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court.
    Nunes nonetheless used the term “dossier” three times in the span of a minute to describe Mueller’s conclusion. He is obviously priming the Trump fan base to disregard adverse findings.
    In other words, if anybody BUT the SFBIC had done these things, he would be rendered to a chair in a shipping container somewhere, there to spill his guts and disappear into the bowels of Guantanamo.

    Don't think Two Scoops is above the law?

    Barr thinks so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenBauer View Post
    NBC News is also reporting that some on the Mueller team say his findings paint a picture of a campaign whose members were was manipulated by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation. Some of that information may be classified.
    Well, if the Russkers highly sophisticated election interference worked wonders, it’s totally believable that they buggered the investigation as well. What to do? Even if we try to overthrow the government, we have to assume the Russkers will take control of us too. Q.E.D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaseLockedLoop View Post
    Well, if the Russkers highly sophisticated election interference worked wonders, it’s totally believable that they buggered the investigation as well. What to do? Even if we try to overthrow the government, we have to assume the Russkers will take control of us too. Q.E.D.
    An awful lot of Russians with ties to the investigation ended up 'falling' out of windows.


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    Ruh roh!



    William Barr Accidentally Concedes His Reason for Withholding the Mueller Report Is Baloney

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...watergate.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    An awful lot of Russians with ties to the investigation ended up 'falling' out of windows.

    How many is an awful lot, and what source do you have for all these window jumpers? Asking for a friend.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    I always believed more in the “useful idiots” theory than the “criminal mastermind” theory. I believe Donald Trump and his team were too unintelligent and unsophisticated to organize something. But if they knew they were benefiting from Russian interference and allowed it to happen and didn’t report it, that’s still a crime, perhaps even treason.
    I think this is likely, since nobody on Trump's team has shown much competence since, Trump the least, and because idiots, useful or not, are far more common than masterminds. I'll add one more possibility: I'd bet a fair amount that the Russians have compromising information on Trump, probably financial, and Mueller has found out about it; Trump was up to his neck in Russian money before he ran for president, and is obviously not overburdened with scruples. If this is contained in the report, it would go a long way toward explaining his recent unhinged behavior. Beware the desperation of a cornered rat.
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    "It does seem clear, though, that Barr has not been dealing from the top of the deck."

    Hah….understatement of the year. Barr was installed to do precisely that.

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