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    Default Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    Not whether proceedings should begin.
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    Default Re: Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    Impeachment of whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Impeachment of whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Impeachment of whom?
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    Why would one wish to impeach him?
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    i beseech thee, make this a public poll
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    Impeachment of whom on what or which grounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i beseech thee, make this a public poll
    What does that mean?
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    I think we'll be able to guess who cast the inevitable "no" votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    I think we'll be able to guess who cast the inevitable "no" votes.
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    Default Re: Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i beseech thee, make this a public poll
    I second that
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    I voted no but then saw your qualifier. I have a hard time seperating objective standards for high crimes and misdemeaners from the political force needed to make it happen. He’s corrupt, incompetant, bad for the country/office and a poor excuse for a leader, but that’s ok with a large part of the GOP. Until they decide otherwise Two Scoops gets to grab whatever he wants.

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    Do or will... yes.

    Should... probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Do or will... yes.

    Should... probably not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i beseech thee, make this a public poll
    Acorrding to the last election poll Hillary won by a landslide.

    I believe only Chris and me and maybe 2 others said trump would win.

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    Default Re: Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    I figure they exist, aren't yet public, and 80% certain that the Senate wouldn't convict him if he shot somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue. But yeah, reasons exist, at the very least of the type that sank Nixon.
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    Default Re: Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    When did Donald suggest to James that he let the Michael Flynn thing slide? Was that January 2017?

    Ever since then, yes.

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    Yep. A few days after the inauguration...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Not whether proceedings should begin.
    Or whether those grounds are publicly known?

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    What are the grounds first........

    The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors".
    Doesn't seem to include being a D!c#head.
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    You are properly wedged I think……….

    But I can see a reason for not impeaching him, and it's not Pence………………...
    I noted in another thread that donald is inciting violence, just in case…….

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    What are the grounds first........



    Doesn't seem to include being a D!c#head.
    Actually, it does. impeachment is not a legal proceeding in the sense of the word. Congress simply has to vote for it. That’s not to say they won’t pay a political price if they simply empeach and convict based on partisanship, but it’s not a legal proceeding that requires a court.
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    In light of what happened in NZ. Trumps fomenting of violence on several occasions alone deserves removal from office.
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    Default Re: Do you believe grounds for impeachment exist?

    Violating the emoluments clause is a violation of the oath of office. So on day one, there was grounds for impeachment. The list after that is academic.

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    Ok changed my mind, there’s plenty of grounds for impeachment. Only problem is what the country and GOP have become. Let Trump do his damage and take the GOP down with him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    What are the grounds first........
    The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors".

    Doesn't seem to include being a D!c#head.
    How are "high crimes and misdemeanors" defined?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate
    How are "high crimes and misdemeanors" defined?
    Crimes and/or abuse of office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    How are "high crimes and misdemeanors" defined?
    They're not. Three have been two presidents impeached. One was Andrew Johnson, for violating the 'tenure of office act', but really for being a southerner put in office by Lincoln's assassination, and for obstructing the Radical Republicans' plans (yes, such creatures existed in the 1860s) for making ex-slaves into full citizens after emancipation. The other was Bill Clinton for maybe lying under oath about getting a blowjob, and because Newt Gingrich had the votes and no conscience.

    So, really, "high crimes and misdemeanors" are whatever Congress says they are. There are reasonable interpretations and unreasonable ones, but in the end it comes down to the votes. Has its faults.

    Personally, I think even with the information publicly available right now, there are more than sufficient grounds for impeachment under most plausible interpretations of "high crimes and misdemeanors" (most of them committed before he was in office), but I don't think it would be a good idea. Sparkly pink unicorns are more likely than conviction in the Senate, and the point is to limit the damage and get rid of Trump, not just make noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    They're not. Three have been two presidents impeached. One was Andrew Johnson, for violating the 'tenure of office act', but really for being a southerner put in office by Lincoln's assassination, and for obstructing the Radical Republicans' plans (yes, such creatures existed in the 1860s) for making ex-slaves into full citizens after emancipation. The other was Bill Clinton for maybe lying under oath about getting a blowjob, and because Newt Gingrich had the votes and no conscience.

    So, really, "high crimes and misdemeanors" are whatever Congress says they are. There are reasonable interpretations and unreasonable ones, but in the end it comes down to the votes. Has its faults.

    Personally, I think even with the information publicly available right now, there are more than sufficient grounds for impeachment under most plausible interpretations of "high crimes and misdemeanors" (most of them committed before he was in office), but I don't think it would be a good idea. Sparkly pink unicorns are more likely than conviction in the Senate, and the point is to limit the damage and get rid of Trump, not just make noise.
    Sounds like Re not defining "high crimes and misdemeanors"

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    ...and the point is to limit the damage and get rid of Trump, not just make noise.
    Absolutely.

    I have been of the opinion since election night in twenty-sixteen that the egregiousness of tmrp and his support both in government and the voting public will result, ultimately, in a rebound of yuuuge proportions, such that a resurgence of decency and democracy for the people will occur that will make the 'blue wave' of the previous midterms look like a ripple in a pond.

    Folks, we're gonna get a bunch of reform, not just a majority of Dems in office for a term or two. Can't say it's not overdue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    They're not. Three have been two presidents impeached. One was Andrew Johnson, for violating the 'tenure of office act', but really for being a southerner put in office by Lincoln's assassination, and for obstructing the Radical Republicans' plans (yes, such creatures existed in the 1860s) for making ex-slaves into full citizens after emancipation. The other was Bill Clinton for maybe lying under oath about getting a blowjob, and because Newt Gingrich had the votes and no conscience.

    So, really, "high crimes and misdemeanors" are whatever Congress says they are. There are reasonable interpretations and unreasonable ones, but in the end it comes down to the votes. Has its faults.

    Personally, I think even with the information publicly available right now, there are more than sufficient grounds for impeachment under most plausible interpretations of "high crimes and misdemeanors" (most of them committed before he was in office), but I don't think it would be a good idea. Sparkly pink unicorns are more likely than conviction in the Senate, and the point is to limit the damage and get rid of Trump, not just make noise.
    What crimes did he commit before he was in office. I'm not awear of any crimes. .

    How far back do you go to level charges?.

    Yearbooks?.

    Old girlfriends?.

    Too much money?

    A playboy?.

    His father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    What crimes did he commit before he was in office. I'm not awear of any crimes. .

    How far back do you go to level charges?.

    Yearbooks?.

    Old girlfriends?.

    Too much money?

    A playboy?.

    His father?
    WwObbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    Absolutely.

    I have been of the opinion since election night in twenty-sixteen that the egregiousness of tmrp and his support both in government and the voting public will result, ultimately, in a rebound of yuuuge proportions, such that a resurgence of decency and democracy for the people will occur that will make the 'blue wave' of the previous midterms look like a ripple in a pond.

    Folks, we're gonna get a bunch of reform, not just a majority of Dems in office for a term or two. Can't say it's not overdue.
    What policies and ideas are going to propel this blue wave forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    How are "high crimes and misdemeanors" defined?
    They dont like trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    What policies and ideas are going to propel this blue wave forward?
    The feckless POS in the Oval Office will propel it forward. Are you not paying attention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Dryfoot View Post
    The feckless POS in the Oval Office will propel it forward. Are you not paying attention?
    Alvin pays attention to tit for tat dialogues. Outside of that is a world of fog and danger populated by liberals.

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