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    Default Pelosi says impeachment would be too divisive

    And that Trump 'isnt worth it' --

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    Default Re: Pelosi says impeachment would be too divisive

    Let Nixon off the hook , for the good of the country.
    Let Bush Cheney off the hook, for the good of the country

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    Looks like your 'justice' system only applies to petty crooks and non whites……………….
    Definitely not to your Ruler.

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    Ozzie’s sure going to be disappointed !

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    Don't believe for a minute, that if Pelosi thought she had a case, she'd wouldn't pursue it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Don't believe for a minute, that if Pelosi thought she had a case, she'd wouldn't pursue it.
    NO COLUSION is the reason for the seasons LOL! They should look into HRC if they want to find colusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Girouard View Post
    NO COLUSION is the reason for the seasons LOL! They should look into HRC if they want to find colusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Don't believe for a minute, that if Pelosi thought she had a case, she'd wouldn't pursue it.

    Or, rather, we have a divided America, 40% of which are complacent as lambs to have their President go solo in negotiations with NK, without one iota of a zot of pre-negotiations involving NK with State Department staff, have that President go down in flames, and then that 40% thinks it is all good because Dems might be pissed off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Don't believe for a minute, that if Pelosi thought she had a case, she'd wouldn't pursue it.
    I don't think she would.

    I believe that Trump getting impeached could well make his base crazy enough to do some really dumb things. Then there's the relatively sane, but maybe even more evil Pence who'd take over. My bet is that Pelosi & other Dem leaders figure to do their best to limit his damage & beat him in 2020.
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    Impeach Nancy Pelosi.

    Hell, impeach 'em all, and let God sort 'em out.
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    Two things will happen whether the House majority leader is on board or not. One, tmrp is leaving office, one way or another; there will not be another term for nmbntz, and it won't be pence taking over, either. Two, a large cadre of tprm-enabling Rs, also on the hook to the Russians and dedicated to their personal aggrandizement at taxpayer expense will also be out of office and headed to the joint. pence will be part of that, and so will the Senate minority leader, the evil, greedy, depraved mthrfcker.

    One, two. Not necessarily a function of the elections in twenty-twenty, but probably over by then. At least all but the shouting, which will no doubt be heard throughout the land.
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    Someone tell Nancy that things are already pretty damn divisive. Getting rid of the one main, elected* to office, thing responsible for that, would tend to lessen, perhaps after a surge, overall divisiveness. Lont-term, bigger picture-wise.
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    Jeez guys, calm down. Ms. Pelosi is not a fool, and she understands strategy pretty well. Removing a president from office requires a 2/3 vote of the Senate, and under the present circumstances, a parade of sparkly pink unicorns is far more likely. She's getting the hotheads to calm down, making it less likely that Mr. Trump will do something monumentally stupid, (well, lets say even more monumentally stupid than he has already) and making damned sure all the investigations continue. Patience, boys..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Jeez guys, calm down. Ms. Pelosi is not a fool, and she understands strategy pretty well. Removing a president from office requires a 2/3 vote of the Senate, and under the present circumstances, a parade of sparkly pink unicorns is far more likely. She's getting the hotheads to calm down, making it less likely that Mr. Trump will do something monumentally stupid, (well, lets say even more monumentally stupid than he has already) and making damned sure all the investigations continue. Patience, boys..
    One might also say she is biding her time. mcyrtle will get that, but donny-nmbntz won't. If he did he would want to bide his time twice as hard as her.
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    I think it's more likely that he'll dog-whistle some other chump into doing something monumentally stupid, but yes.
    Except for the possibility of another SCOTUS seat, trump is already a lame-duck. Let him limp along and stay in everyone's face as a daily reminder of why we (R and D) need to do things very differently for 2020.

    and yes continue the investigations etc, keep composing the music for him and his crew to face the day he leaves office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    One might also say she is biding her time. mcyrtle will get that, but donny-nmbntz won't. If he did he would want to bide his time twice as hard as her.
    Yeah, but there's a difference. While Ms. Pelosi bides her time, multiple investigations continue. While Mr Trump bides his time, he binge-watches Fox News, tweets stupid sh!t, and nothing much happens.
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    It's only 20 months until the election. How long would an impeachment and trial take? Even if the Senate were to convict Trump, Pence would only be President for a couple of months. Better to just remove him at the ballot box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike H View Post
    Better to just remove him at the ballot box.
    Him and a whole pile of Republicans in Congress as well. I think the plan is to prevent him from doing too much damage in the meantime or interfering with the investigations, and to ensure that the most incriminating information (of which there's certainly no shortage) comes out at the right time before the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Him and a whole pile of Republicans in Congress as well. I think the plan is to prevent him from doing too much damage in the meantime or interfering with the investigations, and to ensure that the most incriminating information (of which there's certainly no shortage) comes out at the right time before the election.
    'zactly. My biggest concern is how many unqualified but ideologically "pure" judges they will get appointed.
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    Pelosi may know the vote count and she may be biding her time, but if the Democrats don't run for SOMETHING in the next election they will not be elected. Failing to confront Trump is not a platform that energizes this part of the base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    Pelosi may know the vote count and she may be biding her time, but if the Democrats don't run for SOMETHING in the next election they will not be elected. Failing to confront Trump is not a platform that energizes this part of the base.
    Between 'failing to confront Trump' and impeachment (when everyone knows there aren't even close to enough votes in the Senate to convict him), there's an immense number of options.
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    let's also not pretend that "this part of the base" or any other part is going to sit out the election and let trump continue.
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    Republican insider says, 'we're not ready'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Jeez guys, calm down. Ms. Pelosi is not a fool, and she understands strategy pretty well. Removing a president from office requires a 2/3 vote of the Senate, and under the present circumstances, a parade of sparkly pink unicorns is far more likely. She's getting the hotheads to calm down, making it less likely that Mr. Trump will do something monumentally stupid, (well, lets say even more monumentally stupid than he has already) and making damned sure all the investigations continue. Patience, boys..
    There is no point in impeaching if the Senate won’t go along. It’s just a feel good move that ends badly. Pointless. When she says he’s not worth it, she’s right. It’s not worth going through a futile gesture in the House only to have it fall apart in the Senate due to the intransigence of the Republicans.

    I’m surprised this is even a news item since it’s so clear on the face of it.

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    More on the subject; seems like common sense to me. (Source)

    Why Pelosi’s Anti-Impeachment Stand Makes Sense
    By Ed Kilgore

    It’s no secret that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team have been trying to tamp down enthusiasm in their Caucus for initiating impeachment proceedings against President Trump. That’s been a heavier lift thanks to more vocally pro-impeachment voices among some of the freshman Democrats elected last November (Rashida Tlaib’s much-publicized f-bombed-adorned call for impeachment on the day she was sworn in was but the most colorful indication of a new mood), and fresh evidence of impeachable offenses by Trump coming from various sources (including Michael Cohen). Deciding Trump is worthy of impeachment, however, isn’t the same thing as choosing to launch a doomed effort to remove him from office. And Pelosi clearly isn’t making that choice at this point, making her opposition to impeachment explicit in an interview with the Washington Post’s Joe Helm.

    "I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it."

    That last line with its contempt for the 45th president will get some attention. But the real nugget is her conclusion that it would take “something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” to make it a good idea. And that’s all about its feasibility, which is, as I argued in January, not high:

    "Blocking a conviction for impeachable “high crimes and misdemeanors” requires a mere 34 senators. Between now and the 2020 elections 53 senators (barring resignations) will belong to the party of a president whose rank-and-file voters adore him despite massive evidence of his crudeness, corruption and moblike habits and associations. One can imagine vaguely that Robert Mueller or a congressional investigation will turn up malfeasance so gross that Senate Republicans will defect en masse. But there’s little or no historical basis for believing that’s going to happen in any realistic scenario."

    According to a recent Morning Consult tracking poll, 86 percent of Republicans and 43 percent of independents oppose the initiation of impeachment proceedings (only 36 percent of independents favor this step). Is that wall of opposition likely to fall apart in the brief time available before the 2020 presidential election year is upon us?

    Lest anyone cite crumbling support for Richard Nixon during impeachment proceedings in 1974 (leading to his coerced resignation) as precedent for the same thing happening to Trump, the fact is this is a very different and more right-wing Republican Party than the one that weighed Nixon’s fate back then, and Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is much higher. Trump’s entire political persona, moreover, is all about incessant partisan conflict; he will consistently denounce any impeachment effort as a coup d’etat, an effort to overturn a democratic election, and the Republican “base” and the GOP pols who fear that base (all of them) will go to the wall to defend him. Yes, it’s theoretically possible that either the Mueller investigation or some future House investigation will produce evidence that meets the “compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” standard Pelosi mentioned, changing the equation. If that happens, however, Democrats would have the delightful choice of moving against Trump then or waiting to destroy him in the 2020 election after watching Republicans go after each other with tire irons.

    I’ve heard some people argue that impeachment hearings might be the only way to bring damaging new allegations about Trump to light. But it is unclear what, if anything, an impeachment hearing can produce that one of the multiple investigative and oversight hearings House Democrats have already initiated can’t just as easily flush out. The main thing a rush into impeachment proceedings will accomplish (other than vindicating Tom Steyer’s investment in boosting impeachment sentiment) is to raise false expectations among millions of rank-and-file Democrats that Trump will be dragged kicking and screaming out of office.

    As Pelosi told Helm, quoting Lincoln: “Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can succeed.” With enough public sentiment to successfully execute impeachment, Trump would almost certainly be run out of office like a cheap grifter in November of 2020. Without it, there’s just no point.
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    Darn, and here I thought Pelosi saying that the rump wasn't worth it was the type of juvenile reverse psychology he would rise to and prove he is worth impeaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I don't think she would.

    I believe that Trump getting impeached could well make his base crazy enough to do some really dumb things. Then there's the relatively sane, but maybe even more evil Pence who'd take over. My bet is that Pelosi & other Dem leaders figure to do their best to limit his damage & beat him in 2020.
    Yup. Trump is vulnerable in 2020. There's no reason to risk screwing that up. If the Dems try to impeach and the effort fails, it will strengthen Trump. If it succeeds it may further antagonize folks who voted for Trump because they didn't like Hilary but are dissatified with Trump and open to a Dem alternative.

    Pelosi is playing the long game.
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    Give the petulant child a sledge hammer and let him lose in the Republican room. As long as he does not start another war, let the destruction begin!

    Perhaps they will survive...perhaps not.
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    And here I didn't think Trump could do long division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Let Nixon off the hook , for the good of the country.
    Let Bush Cheney off the hook, for the good of the country
    Neither of which turned out to be good for the country.

    I agree we should not impeach without enough votes for conviction.

    The DOJ has that legally-questionable-yet-long-standing prohibition against indicting a sitting President, but they say nothing about indicting his cabinet, his family, the officers of all his businesses or the seditious ratfreakers we know as the 'Republican' Party leadership.

    In fact, one may begin to see Trump as tied to a stake, with his world piled up at the base as kindling.

    Let's roast that bursted unmercifully for a couple of years, then send him to die in prison, penniless, friendless and with zero ratings.
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    Best thing for the country is to vote Trump out of office
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    I think too many fail to see Pelosi's wisdom.

    There is absolutely no point if the house impeaching without reasonable probability the senate with have 67 votes to remove him.

    Investigations can and will continue without impeachment being their primary purpose. Many of these hearing will be televised, and a lot of facts will come out. All of this takes time. The election isn't all that far away, so it makes more sense, IMO, to aim at the election. If something surfaces that the Republicans cannot ignore, it won't take long for the house to pass articles of impeachment/

    DO NOT FORGET Watergate was party line votes, and Nixon would have survived if the tapes had not come to light.

    Party lines are pretty solid now and GOP has shown little desire to oppose Trump on anything.

    Two prongs to the strategy. One is hold hearings and make public all the s**t Trump has done, and is still doing. Second prong is to pass popular legislation, even if it never gets a vote in the senate, the Dems can point to having done stuff.

    I'm not sure Impeachment hearings would fit in before the election. I've no idea how a failed effort would play come that election, and it may we wise to not find out the hard way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Don't believe for a minute, that if Pelosi thought she had a case, she'd wouldn't pursue it.
    But would Republicans pursue it if there was a case? Something that would even get Lindsey Graham to seek restoring honor and integrity to the office? Trashing and insulting allies is ok, undermining institutions necessary for national securityis ok, appointing corrupted individuals to the WhiteHouse and Dept heads is ok, blowing up the debt during good economic times is ok, cozying up to dictators and authoritarian leaders is ok, pathological lying is ok. What in the world would it take?

    “if this body [Congress] determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role . . . because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike H View Post
    It's only 20 months until the election. How long would an impeachment and trial take? Even if the Senate were to convict Trump, Pence would only be President for a couple of months. Better to just remove him at the ballot box.

    Ditto, and his enablers.

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    The Republican party of the Nixon era is long since dead and rotting. Today's reds are traitors to the US Constitution.

    Let commander bone spurs finish is term, however long it may be, and perp walk him out of the oval office when he's done.
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