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    Default John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    While Atkin’s board and rudder arrangements are more traditional low aspect bits, the overall impression is that it is very much in a similar vein as the latter day Flying Scot:
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Nice solid, old fashion dayboat. It is what it is, and should not be compared to anything modern like a Bayraider style design. Only down side i see is hanging an outboard off the back of it.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    This doesn't quite make seance to me; "with materials nearly as specified she should carry approximately 225 pounds" I imagine for optimal performance 225lbs is fine, but she must be able to carry more then that. However for a family boat including 2 adults, 2 kids, gear and a cooler. I'd want a boat that can carry 500lbs and still be on her lines. At 225 that's not enough to carry just me.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    I think the 225 refers to ballast not load capacity

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    I don't see the resemblance to a Flying Scot. Greenshank is a burdensome hull with a rig big enough for the load, not a planing hull

    I think artif is correct that the the 225# is inside ballast. Unless super needed for fore and aft trim, I prefer all my inside ballast to be live or consumable. Greenshank could take over 800# of lading - crew and gear - before the transom would be dragging unacceptably.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Ian, I was thinking of the Scot in relation to many of the higher octane boats that were prevalent in the hey day of post war one design racing.....compared to boats like the 505, 470, and Finn, the Scot was burdensome......a day boat which could be raced, but big enough and well mannered enough to take the Mrs. and the kids out for a daysail and picnic.....you are exactly right that the Scot is a planing hull and Atkin’s was explicitly not intended for any such crazed, swashbuckling behavior as that.....

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    About 40 years ago I became enthused about a trailer boat and had the sails of Greenshank sewn from the the plans, but romance intervened and the hull didn't progress.

    I still have the sails,well preserverved and rat hole free.The only obvious disadvantage of the rig seems to be the difficulty of lifting and rigging the mast at the boat ramp.

    She seems suitable for fir strip planking and the possibility of a camping cuddy?
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Yes, but doesnt JIM satisfy that also? Greenshank would obviously be a bit sturdier given the displacement, maybe a compromise to a offshore cabin cruiser? Having the sails is a good excuse as any for building a boat, though many will scoff at the thought.....

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Not unlike a Town Class sloop: https://townclass.net/

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Or the Winabout ...(which I suspect was the predecessor to the Town Class)

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    The Townie is a semidory, profoundly different from the Greenshank or the Winabout. Though it is true that all three have one end pointy and a fractional rig.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Looks closer to an Alden O boat to me, though without quite as much freeboard, flatter sheer, a higher aspect main.

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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    More sheer and freeboard would be good.
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    I think the bow of Greenshank is really, really full....She will be a bear to plank in anything other than diagonal cold molding....
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Fir strip?
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Fir strip?
    No, that would be too easy. Well, except for finding the fir on your side of the planet. You must have some good local species.

    I do like the modified Seabright hull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    No, that would be too easy. Well, except for finding the fir on your side of the planet. You must have some good local species.

    I do like the modified Seabright hull.
    We have a lot available as used construction timber in2x8s and 10s, good material
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    Default Re: John Atkin's "Greenshank", please discuss.

    His description of knockabout vs sloop dates the discussion somewhat, which is fun. A little more sweep to the shear is warranted to my eye. Maybe ease the deckline forward while you're at it. Seems like a simple and wholesome boat to have waiting for you at the mooring. It would be more suited to that than a trailer.

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