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    Default Re: USS Monitor ... A. Lincoln listened and changed Naval warfare

    Monitor was certainly influential, but the Brits were well and truly onto the idea earlier. Captain Coles RN had used a crude turret in the Crimean War and took out a patent on a turret design in March 1859. A prototype turret was ordered that year and installed on an armoured ship (HMS Trusty) in September 1861. An article on it appeared in the journal 'Engineering" on 2 August 1861.

    The 3880 ton 'Prince Albert', an iron hulled ship with a Coles turret, was ordered in February 1862 and a conversion to take turrets was ordered in April and completed in 1864. So while Monitor was a significant ship, she wasn't really leading where no others had gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    Monitor was certainly influential, but the Brits were well and truly onto the idea earlier. Captain Coles RN had used a crude turret in the Crimean War and took out a patent on a turret design in March 1859. A prototype turret was ordered that year and installed on an armoured ship (HMS Trusty) in September 1861. An article on it appeared in the journal 'Engineering" on 2 August 1861.

    The 3880 ton 'Prince Albert', an iron hulled ship with a Coles turret, was ordered in February 1862 and a conversion to take turrets was ordered in April and completed in 1864. So while Monitor was a significant ship, she wasn't really leading where no others had gone.
    Well seeing as MONITOR was launched, fought, and was lost all in 1862... your point is...?

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    That she may not have really changed naval warfare. Even before the Monitor was launched, a warship turret had been designed, patented, built, installed, trialled by giving and receiving fire, written about, and a ship specially designed for turrets had been ordered. Ericsson's offer to design a turret ship came AFTER the reconstruction of HMS Trusty and her turret was made public.

    The turret was known art in the biggest navy in the world at the time and was news in the papers as far away as Australia even before Ericsson proposed Monitor to Lincoln - in fact Coles (the designer of the first British turret) thought incorrectly that her design had been copied from Cole's 1855 submissions to the Admiralty.

    It wasn't as if the Monitor was a breakthrough design operating in unknown territory - she was the second turret ship afloat. While the battle got publicity, it may not have really changed naval warfare all that much
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    Default Re: USS Monitor ... A. Lincoln listened and changed Naval warfare

    Low profile, minimalist design, ease and speed of construction, small crew complement, turret, screw propeller. Each had been done before but integrating them into a working whole, never before.

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    Turret design was in the air. By the 1840s the New York inventor Theodore Timby had perfected land and ship based turrets. Timby was a prolific inventor who, among hundreds of gizmos, patented a novel window sash. He handled the turret design for Monitor for Ericcson and got 5% of the profits.

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    The design was forward thinking - as a sailor - what a nightmare. Choking on smoke, helllike inside and when fighting made the crew deaf with blood running out of thier ears.
    it is hard to say than other than a forward design - a miserable detail in a very horrific war.

    Perhaps the CSS Virginia was a better assignment. Either one was hell.
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    Default Re: USS Monitor ... A. Lincoln listened and changed Naval warfare

    chris goes off all gatenby, wow
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris249 View Post
    That she may not have really changed naval warfare. Even before the Monitor was launched, a warship turret had been designed, patented, built, installed, trialled by giving and receiving fire, written about, and a ship specially designed for turrets had been ordered. Ericsson's offer to design a turret ship came AFTER the reconstruction of HMS Trusty and her turret was made public.

    The turret was known art in the biggest navy in the world at the time and was news in the papers as far away as Australia even before Ericsson proposed Monitor to Lincoln - in fact Coles (the designer of the first British turret) thought incorrectly that her design had been copied from Cole's 1855 submissions to the Admiralty.

    It wasn't as if the Monitor was a breakthrough design operating in unknown territory - she was the second turret ship afloat. While the battle got publicity, it may not have really changed naval warfare all that much
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