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    By Greg Miller



    January 12 at 6:15 PM

    President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.



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    Despite the content of the discussions, traitorous or not, I would think that any claim of executive privilege is legitimate. The special Prosecutor might have a tough time getting hold of it. Espescially given the views of the new AG designate.

    Why is their own administration releasing potentiallly damaging information? Perhaps an attempt to get ahead of and attempt to control the narrative of more bad news about to come to light.
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    ^
    Perhaps because there are people within the TRump adminsitration who consider the man to be dangerous and a threat to our Republic?
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    US President Donald Trump has denied hiding details of conversations with Russia's Vladimir Putin, saying he is "not keeping anything under wraps".
    Mandy Rice Davis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
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    Perhaps because there are people within the TRump adminsitration who consider the man to be dangerous and a threat to our Republic?

    Indeed it is hard to say, as the hallmark of this administration is default to a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMARTINSEN View Post
    Despite the content of the discussions, traitorous or not, I would think that any claim of executive privilege is legitimate. The special Prosecutor might have a tough time getting hold of it. Espescially given the views of the new AG designate.
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    There is another reference in a Disc World story to throwing the elected head of state in gaol as soon as elected "It saves time afterwards".
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    When Pirro asked if he is or has ever been working for Russia, Trump responded, I think its the most insulting thing Ive ever been asked.
    Which means the question and the accusation are dead-nuts on, the most correct and on point question he's ever been asked, and the answer is of course he has been working for Putin.
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    Our president more like Dibbler than Vetnari.

    Will vimes come to the rescue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMARTINSEN View Post
    Despite the content of the discussions, traitorous or not, I would think that any claim of executive privilege is legitimate. The special Prosecutor might have a tough time getting hold of it. Espescially given the views of the new AG designate.

    Why is their own administration releasing potentiallly damaging information? Perhaps an attempt to get ahead of and attempt to control the narrative of more bad news about to come to light.
    Executive privilege, maybe. The big issue here is that information from conversations with other world leaders is usually recorded for sharing within the administration with the Department of State and NSC folks so you can get good advice. Granted, it isn’t necessarily shared with the public, but not to share within your own administration? Something badly wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMARTINSEN View Post
    Despite the content of the discussions, traitorous or not, I would think that any claim of executive privilege is legitimate. The special Prosecutor might have a tough time getting hold of it. Espescially given the views of the new AG designate.

    Why is their own administration releasing potentiallly damaging information? Perhaps an attempt to get ahead of and attempt to control the narrative of more bad news about to come to light.
    Executive privilege didn't work for Nixon or Clinton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration/2019/01/12/65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html?utm_term=.c5a8b023ec58[/URL]
    I bet Trump talked about his manhood.

    Either way...

    Trump’s secrecy surrounding Putin “is not only unusual by historical standards, it is outrageous,” said Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state now at the Brookings Institution, who participated in more than a dozen meetings between President Bill Clinton and then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s. “It handicaps the U.S. government — the experts and advisers and Cabinet officers who are there to serve [the president] — and it certainly gives Putin much more scope to manipulate Trump.”

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    Executive privilege only applies to interactions which themselves are legal. Though there is an obvious "catch 22" in getting enough info to determine if an interaction was legal or not.
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    Jeez, lighten up fellas, can a guy not meet up with an old pal, shoot the $hit about old times and plot the downfall of the western democracies without everybody freakin' out?
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    I think if I had to bet, I'd say that the Russians have compromising information on Trump and he's being more or less subtly blackmailed.
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    Are our resident Trumpologists on holiday or something? This thread needs some lightening-up with a dash of absurd.

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    "Only I can fix it"

    I think Trump might keep things secret because he thinks he can just scratch out a deal with world leaders, bada bing bada boom. I mean, nuclear arms control is child's play compared to licensing your name for overpriced Chinese-made ties, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I think if I had to bet, I'd say that the Russians have compromising information on Trump and he's being more or less subtly blackmailed.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump owes the russian mob, or Putin, or both, a trainload of money.
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    The idot seems to be so 'seat-of-the-pants,' and is such a perfect example in all his idiosynchrasies of a KGB unwitting asset, it made me wonder if some rumors I've read about tmp being 'connected' to the New York mob, are true. Suppose the entanglement with the Russians is somehow even deeper and more onerous than we've been led to imagine? Rather than to just have fallen prey to lure of a sweet deal in Russia and more foreign money to play with as a con, he is actually in thrall to the Russian Bratva and Vlad as part of a grand scheme to finally out-twit the Americans on their home turf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Executive privilege only applies to interactions which themselves are legal. Though there is an obvious "catch 22" in getting enough info to determine if an interaction was legal or not.
    Good ol' O'Bama saw this coming, and before he left office he signed an executive order giving the FBI and all the other intelligence agencies the power to compare notes and share information, and brought members of our allies' intelligence agencies on board, as well.

    We now know that when SFBIC complained that O'Bama had wiretapped Trump Tower, or had told MI6 to do it, he may actually have been partially correct!

    Who leaked that info to him?

    Mueller knows.


    Quote Originally Posted by beernd View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump owes the russian mob, or Putin, or both, a trainload of money.
    Neither would I.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    The idot seems to be so 'seat-of-the-pants,' and is such a perfect example in all his idiosynchrasies of a KGB unwitting asset, it made me wonder if some rumors I've read about tmp being 'connected' to the New York mob, are true. Suppose the entanglement with the Russians is somehow even deeper and more onerous than we've been led to imagine? Rather than to just have fallen prey to lure of a sweet deal in Russia and more foreign money to play with as a con, he is actually in thrall to the Russian Bratva and Vlad as part of a grand scheme to finally out-twit the Americans on their home turf.
    Yup.

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    Mom is long gone but it certainly appears that he has his children up on the chopping block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    I think if I had to bet, I'd say that the Russians have compromising information on Trump and he's being more or less subtly blackmailed.
    I don't think Trump does "subtle". Otherwise I agree. Time will tell.
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    Deathly silence from our resident Trumpistas.
    I expected at least "fake news fake news, Yabba Yabba, Hillary Yabba Yabba, libs Yabba yabba".

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    Quote Originally Posted by beernd View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Trump owes the russian mob, or Putin, or both, a trainload of money.
    From what I’ve been reading, there isn’t much distraction between Putin, the Russian Government, and the Russian Mob.
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    You’re surprised?
    A society predicated on the assumption that everyone in it should want to get rich is not well situated to become either ethical or imaginative.

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    Believe me this is the most transparent administration in our history.

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    ^ Yep, it is all there on Twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoez View Post
    From what I’ve been reading, there isn’t much distraction between Putin, the Russian Government, and the Russian Mob.


    Didja mean "distinction"?

    They're working on as much distraction ad possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Didja mean "distinction"?

    They're working on as much distraction ad possible.


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    I'm confused about why Trump is surprised and outraged about the FBI investigating him. Didn't he ask Comey in their one-on-one meeting (before he fired him) if he was being investigated, and Comey told him he wasn't? But firing Comey and then claiming it was because of the Russia investigation would be pretty suspicious to anyone, wouldn't it? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/u...a-inquiry.html

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    Don’t forget to add that he’s insulted that anyone would think that.
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    A claim of executive privilege may be valid, for all I know.

    But what I do know is that NO president has spoken in private to an adversary without some of his team accompanying him. And that should tell you something. And if it doesn't, you are deaf, dumb, and blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    The idot seems to be so 'seat-of-the-pants,' and is such a perfect example in all his idiosynchrasies of a KGB unwitting asset, it made me wonder if some rumors I've read about tmp being 'connected' to the New York mob, are true.
    Remember, The Donald's first casino in Atlantic City was "Harrahs at Trump Plaza" because the Casino Control Commission would not give him a license to own and operate a casino due to his organization's mob ties
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