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    Has anyone lost a passport while out of the country? Do you carry a copy of your passport? Or perhaps a scanned copy (or better yet, a good photo) attached to email you can retreive?

    In the US, they also have little license sized wallet passports now. Although the little card is only good for land travel to Canada and Mexico, I wonder if that is adequate backup?

    I’m curious what other people do.

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    I have not lost a passport (yet, knock on wood.)

    Knew about a guy who lost his in Afghanistan. Even there a trip to the consulate in Kabul got him a new one. But it took a few days, and it's sure to be a hassle no matter where you are traveling.

    (Turns out the guy lost it on purpose. He was being forced to go home for time off, but he didn't want to go.)

    In Costa Rica we carried color copies of our passport while driving around. The reason for that is to avoid having to hand over the real passport to the local police, then having to pay a 'fee' to get it back. Having several color copies is a good idea. As you mentioned, I also have good pictures of my passport on my phone and computer. I have not ever heard of that helping anyone, but it can't hurt.
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    No problems for OZ folk. EU and associated treaties help.
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    lthough the little card is only good for land travel to Canada and Mexico, I wonder if that is adequate backup?
    The passport cards are also good for travel by boat ( "sea port entry") to Canada, Mexico, Bahamas and Bermuda. Mine's always in my wallet. Its not a substitute for the passport book, according to the dept of state, but would probably help expedite a lost passport situation.

    Brian's copies idea sounds smart.

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    My wife and I always separately carry a couple of colored copies (one for each of us) of the ID pages. I carry my passport in a nylon pouch almost exactly the size of the passport, on a neck strap, and under my shirt. I've never, ever come close to losing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wright View Post
    ... I carry my passport in a nylon pouch almost exactly the size of the passport, on a neck strap, and under my shirt. I've never, ever come close to losing it.
    I like that idea. I currently carry mine in my backpack or pocket. But the risk of it slipping out unnoticed is significant.
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    I think I will photograph our passports TODAY!!

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    I lost my passport when I was working in PNG. I was at home in Australia at the time. Had to work from home for 8 weeks waiting for a replacement. A friend list hers in Vanuatu. Had to miss a flight and wait for emergency travel papers through the consulate.

    No way you are going to travel internationally on a photocopy.

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    I've never lost one, but I always take copies of the ID pages. I've heard it makes it simpler to sort things out if you do lose it. Having electronic copies sounds like a good idea.
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    When we travel, we usually carry multiple copies of the ID pages shared out in different places. We also make sure to carry passports in a pocket, not in a bag, so they're unlikely to get left somewhere.

    When in Paris on vacation, some of the group we were with were robbed at Notre Dame Cathedral and lost their passports. A trip to the embassy and for pictures ruined a day of travel, but they were able to get duplicates quickly to allow them to continue to travel and return home. IIRC, it wasn't cheap, but was relatively easy to do as they were able to provide personal information and they matched stored images from their passports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedog225 View Post
    Has anyone lost a passport while out of the country? Do you carry a copy of your passport? Or perhaps a scanned copy (or better yet, a good photo) attached to email you can retreive?

    In the US, they also have little license sized wallet passports now. Although the little card is only good for land travel to Canada and Mexico, I wonder if that is adequate backup?

    I’m curious what other people do.

    Thanks

    Tom
    I travel a lot.
    So to protect myself for problems I take a photo of all my ID and credit cards.
    Print them out and keep the paper copy in my suitcase in the hotel.
    I also put the photos on my phone and computer.

    I also look up the local consulate so I know where they are just in case of any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genglandoh View Post
    So to protect myself for problems I take a photo of all my ID and credit cards.
    Print them out and keep the paper copy in my suitcase in the hotel.
    seems like a recipe for identity theft
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    Who would want to steal that identity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    Who would want to steal that identity?
    Exactly, that is why I have nothing to worry about.

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    I've never lost my passport. When I travel internationally it's either in my hand, in an relatively inaccessible pocket, or in a hotel safe. I used to carry copies but now I just keep pictures in my phone and webmail.

    What are you doing about it?




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    I have a picture of the information pages on my phone and in an email.

    Fortunately, I am legally entitled to more than two passports , so keep them separate when traveling.

    Could be interesting delay of explaining, should I be taken aside if flying somewhere via the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Fortunately, I am legally entitled to more than two passports...
    I'm legally entitled to two, myself, but I wouldn't be caught dead traveling on a US passport. I don't need one, don't want one, and have lots of good reasons not to get one.

    This is one reason I won't travel to the USA anymore; they have become very sticky about people who were born there entering the country on another country's passport unless they have proof of loss of citizenship. And since we disagree on whether I have relinquished mine, I don't have that proof.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I'm legally entitled to two, myself, but I wouldn't be caught dead traveling on a US passport. I don't need one, don't want one, and have lots of good reasons not to get one.

    This is one reason I won't travel to the USA anymore; they have become very sticky about people who were born there entering the country on another country's passport unless they have proof of loss of citizenship. And since we disagree on whether I have relinquished mine, I don't have that proof.
    Fortunately, I don't have your problem as I don't have a US passport.

    I hope you can get the matter resolved.
    Last edited by Rum_Pirate; 01-11-2019 at 09:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Fortunately, I don't have your problem as I don't have a US passport.
    I hope you can't the matter resolved.
    I could, if I wanted to spend ten or twenty thousand dollars (est.), but I'd rather just avoid the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I could, if I wanted to spend ten or twenty thousand dollars (est.), but I'd rather just avoid the USA.
    That makes for one heck of an expensive trip to Disney World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I'm legally entitled to two, myself, but I wouldn't be caught dead traveling on a US passport. I don't need one, don't want one, and have lots of good reasons not to get one.

    This is one reason I won't travel to the USA anymore; they have become very sticky about people who were born there entering the country on another country's passport unless they have proof of loss of citizenship. And since we disagree on whether I have relinquished mine, I don't have that proof.
    That's sad. When I've traveled to Canada (US passport) the immigration officers have often said "Welcome home".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I'm legally entitled to two, myself, but I wouldn't be caught dead traveling on a US passport. I don't need one, don't want one, and have lots of good reasons not to get one.

    This is one reason I won't travel to the USA anymore; they have become very sticky about people who were born there entering the country on another country's passport unless they have proof of loss of citizenship. And since we disagree on whether I have relinquished mine, I don't have that proof.
    That stinks.

    Are there issues if you are laying over in the USA on the way to another country or flying over the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by willmarsh3 View Post
    That stinks.
    Yes, yes it does. Due to a citizenship I never wanted and thought I had given up for good in the 1970s, I basically can't visit friends and family in the USA.

    It doesn't happen with every customs or immigration person; some of them are quite reasonable. But some seem to think that not wanting to claim American citizenship when you are eligible is a gross insult to the USA, and they seem to take it very personally. It's peculiar, and a psychologist would probably have a field day, but it just makes travel to the States too risky.

    Quote Originally Posted by willmarsh3 View Post
    Are there issues if you are laying over in the USA on the way to another country or flying over the US?
    Any travel where I have to clear customs and immigration is a problem. I would assume that layovers would be a problem unless there's an international transit lounge that doesn't require customs etc., and my understanding is that those have largely been eliminated. Flyovers haven't been a problem yet, which means I can still go to Mexico, but there has been talk of making passengers flying over the USA clear US customs. That, obviously, would be a problem as well.

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    come on, what's the worst that could happen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I'm legally entitled to two, myself, but I wouldn't be caught dead traveling on a US passport. I don't need one, don't want one, and have lots of good reasons not to get one.

    This is one reason I won't travel to the USA anymore; they have become very sticky about people who were born there entering the country on another country's passport unless they have proof of loss of citizenship. And since we disagree on whether I have relinquished mine, I don't have that proof.
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    come on, what's the worst that could happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    come on, what's the worst that could happen?
    I could be detained indefinitely, subjected to all kinds of searches, indignities, and confiscations, and then denied entry. I'm not willing to risk that after paying for flights, accommodation, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I could be detained indefinitely, subjected to all kinds of searches, indignities, and confiscations, and then denied entry. I'm not willing to risk that after paying for flights, accommodation, etc.
    Ah yes, that land of the free, in this instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Ah yes, that land of the free...
    Only if you do and say the right things. I mean, you have to convince the Schutz-- er, CBP that you're a proper American.

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    your st kitt's passport is going down in value though
    y'all done sold too many of them. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    your st kitt's passport is going down in value though
    y'all done sold too many of them. . .
    BUT my other passports are not 'St.Kitts & Nevis' ones.

    Quite probably, the St Kitts & Nevis passport is going down in value.

    Prime Minister Harris disclosed that “as of the 31st of December, 2015, there were 10, 777 primary passports issued under the CBI programme.”
    He reported that
    in 2005, 6 passports were issued;
    in 2006, there were 19 issued;
    2007 saw the issuance of 75,
    while in 2008 there were 202 passports;
    in 2009, there were 292 passports issued;
    in 2010, 664 were issued;
    in 2011, there were 1092;
    1758 passports were issued in 2012;
    2044 in 2013;
    in 2014, there were 2329;
    and 2015, 2296.

    Prime Minister Harris said that although obtaining records of the issuance of passport before 2005 had proven to be “an onerous task”, the introduction of the Machine Readable Passport Management System in June of 2006 allowed for the government to gain access to such records through collaboration between the Ministry of National Security and the company responsible for the supply of passports and the development, maintenance and support for the system.
    http://timescaribbeanonline.com/pm-harris-reveals-number-of-passports-sold-under-the-st-kitts-nevis-cbi-programme-over-the-last-decade/
    In 2016 and to date I don't have figures but consider that they are down considerably since in
    November 22, 2014 – As of 12:00 p.m. EST today, Canada implemented the visa requirement on St. Kitts and Nevis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    BUT my other passports are not 'St.Kitts & Nevis' ones.

    Quite probably, the St Kitts & Nevis passport is going down in value.

    In 2016 and to date I don't have figures but consider that they are down considerably since in
    November 22, 2014 – As of 12:00 p.m. EST today, Canada implemented the visa requirement on St. Kitts and Nevis.

    UPDATE

    Note EC$1.00 = US$0.37

    SKN: Over 3 Billion (EC$) Earned From CBI Over 10 Years, Receipts Declining Since 2015
    Published: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 11:08 Written by LK Hewlett

    St Kitts and Nevis (WINN): There is no denying that the revenue generated from the Citizenship by Investment program over the years has been an important contribution to the economy of St. Kitts and Nevis but since hitting its peak year in 2014, receipts from the government’s CBI have been on the decline.
    During Saturday’s edition of WINN FM’s Inside the News talk show, former government Minister and attorney at law Dwyer Astaphan gave a recap of the CBI fee revenues earned annually over a ten year span starting in 2008.

    “In 2008 the government raised in CBI revenue $12.5 million dollars, it was 3 percent of the recurrent revenue for that year.
    In 2009 the government collected $14. 2 million dollars, which was 3.2 percent of the recurrent revenue.
    In 2010 it collected $42 million dollars, which was 10 percent of the recurrent revenue for that year.
    In 2011 it collected $89 million dollars which represented 16.8 percent of recurrent revenue.
    In 2012 it collected $141 million dollars, which represented 26.5 percent of the revenue.
    In 2013 the government raised $277 million dollars from the CBI program and that represented 40 percent of the recurrent revenue and
    the peak year was 2014 when they raised $325 million dollars which represented 42.3 percent of recurrent revenue.
    In 2015 they collected $294 million dollars from the CBI program which represented 39 percent of recurrent revenue, 2016 a sharp drop, $175 million dollars representing 27.6 percent of recurrent revenue.
    And finally, 2017, $149 million dollars, representing 24 percent of the recurrent revenue.”

    He explained that the government’s audit of public accounts do not reflect SIDF donations, only fees generated from that program.
    “The government’s accounts do not reflect SIDF activities, the SIDF is not a part of the government accounting architecture. I’m talking just about government fees, if you add them up, the government revenues from the CBI between 2008 and 2017 inclusive is $1, 518, 700,000 dollars.”

    Attorney at Law Garth Wilkin was also a panelist on the show and provided the figures for actual cash contributions made to the SIDF.
    “I looked up on the SIDF website to get the contributions since 2007 from the audited reports which go up to year end 2016 and similarly, you can see the trend, because
    in 2007 it was $19 million,
    2008 $36 million,
    2009 $52 million,
    2010 $153 million,
    2011 $230 million,
    2012 $330 million,
    2013 $330 million,
    2014 $292 million,
    2015 $209 million,
    2016 $124 million.

    And that is from the audited report's contribution to the SIDF so those persons who when the SIDF was $250,000 dollars those were the contributions that were made during that period.

    The total is EC$1.78 billion dollars, this is from 2007 to 2018 and that is not reflected in the government books.”

    The panelists calculated that the government has earned over EC$3 billion dollars in cash from the CBI program in just about 10 years.
    While Prime Minister and Minister of Finance Timothy Harris has claimed that the recent versions of the St. Kitts and Nevis CBI programs have been doing well despite a slashing of the contribution to $150,000 for an individual, a look at the most recent auditor’s report completed in September 2018 shows that in 2017 “Non-tax revenue decreased by $36 million dollars or 14% in comparison to 2016. $26 million dollars of this decrease was as a result of the reduction in Citizenship by Investment fees collected during 2017.”
    The report went on to say “Revenue collected by the Citizenship by Investment Unit fell short of its 2017 target by $21 million dollars. This represented a 30% decrease in revenue collection when compared to 2016. This was attributed to the lower volume of applications processed in 2017.”
    In 2017 the revenue collected by the Citizenship by Investment Unit accounted for 24% of the government’s total recurrent revenue.
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    Yeah, it's a kind of a bummer. Among other things, I'd love to get down to your neck of the woods again. And there's a concert series in Boston next spring that I'm gutted to miss. But it's not to be.

    What are you doing about it?




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    My wife and I always carry photocopies. We also write down the serial numbers (with a couple of numbers transposed) on our phones and IPad. We leave copies of the passport info with relatives at home just in case everything goes haywire.

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    Fortunately for Mr Cruz, renouncing Canadian citizenship is inexpensive and easy: mail in the form and supporting documents, along with a hundred bucks.

    If the US procedure was anywhere near as inexpensive and easy, I'd have done it many years ago.

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