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    He crushes Trump HARD !!!!!


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    Thanks, well worth a listen.

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    I picked up on that too. Was trump even listening? He seemed to just sit there, hugging himself.
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    TDS has you hearing "things."

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    Brian Mulroney is a great human! I've heard him speak at the Jeju Forum for Peace and Prosperity last May and was impressed with his calm, humble and clear, level headed words. The world needs to hear more from this man. He can distill complex issues into simple understandable rationale and inspiration. I did get a chance to have a conversation with him afterwards and was further impressed about his openness and willingness to speak with me (i guess i was one a few westerners there that he could converse in english) about tariffs, friendships, economics and the role they play in a civil, prosperous and peaceful world.

    The videographer did manage to slip in a Bill Clinton gloating smirk as Malroney discussed Bush's environmental, civil world leadership. It seemed Bill was onto the backhanded communication before others and couldn't contain himself...which may be a clear character analysis of Bill's own demeanor.

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    I doubt any of it was meant as a knock on Trump, it was what we Catholics would call an instance of the principle of double effect. I have to do action A (talk about Bush's achievements) in order to accomplish B (give an good eulogy), the inevitable other effect is C ( contrast with Trump).

    All of which Trump is likely not smart enough to catch on anyways. But his diehard supporters do, hence the comments on other threads about how these presidential funerals are overdone.

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    There's something wrong with people who listen to a eulogy to gauge it for its level of insult to another.

    They've reached a point where everything in their world is filtered through the prism of Trump. It is a sort of derangement. Nothing can exist for its own sake; it all must relate in some way to Trump.

    Any reasonable person watching that beautiful and gentle speech can see that it would be beneath Mulroney to use the event of Bush's funeral to take shots at Trump.

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    It’s clear that an honorable gentleman like Malroney was not attempting to address Trump during Bush’s funeral. Certainly those were not his intentions. However, the contrast to Bush achievements, based upon common human decency and morals, which are clearly being undermined or ignored by the current administration, address the elephant in the room. My hope is that these issues can be reconsidered by the current administration who can begin to respect the wishes of the people and assume the responsibility of the office in which they reside.

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    I understand. We don't need a speech to know that GHWB was a better man than Donald Trump is. Or indeed, Bill Clinton (for that matter).

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    "Certainly those were not his intentions."

    This is just penance for being such an ars***le when he was prime minister. Don't be fooled. / Jim

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    Are we experiencing cloudy grey sky’s?

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    Which ones are not like the others?



    Behaving true to form. The Trump's disdain to recite the Apostle's Creed with the others at the George H.W. Bush funeral service. Further evidence that money cannot purchase class.



    Or perhaps it was a determinedly honest public demonstration of the Trump's lack of belief in the tenets of the Christian faith? I see that Mike Pence joined in reciting the Creed.
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    I wonder who lined up the blocks for him.
    I don't care to know what the tough do when the going gets tough.

    I am interested in what the enlightened do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue
    There's something wrong with people who listen to a eulogy to gauge it for its level of insult to another.

    They've reached a point where everything in their world is filtered through the prism of Trump. It is a sort of derangement. Nothing can exist for its own sake; it all must relate in some way to Trump.

    Any reasonable person watching that beautiful and gentle speech can see that it would be beneath Mulroney to use the event of Bush's funeral to take shots at Trump.

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    Like the semi-mythical Christmas truce between the British and the Germans on the front lines during World War I, Wednesday’s state funeral for former president George H.W. Bush showed two Washingtons and two Republican parties — in one sense, two Americas — taking a momentary step back from the bonfire that is now our national politics. The day, unlike almost anything involving President Trump, was subdued and respectful.

    For that, we can thank the late former president Bush, no fan of Trump. By insisting on his successor’s inclusion in the proceedings, Bush forced the current White House occupant to briefly abandon his unfrozen cave-man act, denying him the chance to further debase the office of president by siphoning the dignity out of 41’s final hours in D.C. — something 45 likely would have relished, given the opportunity.

    Recall that Trump skipped former first lady Barbara Bush’s funeral earlier this year to “avoid disruptions due to added security” (read: to avoid a scene) and “out of respect” for the Bushes, with first lady Melania Trump attending solo.

    A few months later, Trump was relegated to golfing and tweeting, miles away, after being asked to stay away from Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) funeral (read: given the finger), during which Trump was rebuffed by Meghan McCain, who affirmed, “America was always great,” turning the president’s shallow campaign slogan on its head while her father was eulogized by former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

    You could hardly have blamed the Bush family, then, if they had asked Trump to keep his distance from the elder Bush’s memorial, considering Trump’s attacks on the younger former president Bush’s record, Trump’s swipes at former governor Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) and the reality that Trump’s gimcrack persona is an affront to Bush père’s evident character. Bush personified noblesse oblige; Trump is an avatar of the lowest common denominator. And Trump might have half-expected, if not outright welcomed, such a rejection, as it would have given him an opening to abrasively tweet about the Bush legacy, employing Trump’s patented Twitter formula: insulting nickname, distracting punctuation, malapropism, logical fallacy, self-own, hit send.

    But in his final wishes, the late former president put the dignity of the office and, by extension, the nation’s dignity, above all, knowing that the passing of a president is a rare occasion and, even in passing, any chance to demonstrate honor and decorum would provide a welcome contrast to this divided political moment. As Rice University historian Douglas Brinkley told People magazine, Bush “does not want to stiff a sitting president.” Wouldn’t be prudent.

    Bush proved right. Lacking a snub from which to pivot, Trump did the only thing he could do as a member of the now-five-member living president’s club: He issued an appropriate official statement on Bush’s passing, largely steered clear of the week’s Bush remembrances and showed up for the funeral at which he had no speaking role. Even his scowling abstention from the Apostles' Creed — which all the other presidents recited — couldn’t detract from a solemn ceremony.

    It was a brief political win-win. Bush, the last president to serve in combat, a former congressman, ambassador, CIA director and vice president, could be laid to rest with decorum, and Trump — Cadet Bone Spurs, decorated veteran of Studio 54 — was mostly spared another unflattering comparison to an American hero.

    But not completely spared. Trump saw himself eclipsed by the memory of a superior man and his anti-statesmanship outshined by the disdained values of a presently defunct GOP, whose passing we collectively view with increasing regret.

    A president who nurtures only his ego saw people from both parties turn out to honor a president who understood the line between partisanship and pragmatism. Trump, a man who exists in a purely transactional bubble, had to sit and listen to stories of friendships that spanned decades, a loving marriage that began before Trump was born, Bush’s commitment to family and his total comfort with the person he was. As to this contrast, the record doesn’t whisper; it screams.

    No one in attendance at Washington National Cathedral or watching on TV could have mistaken the difference between Trump’s caustic brand of nationalism and Bush’s patriotism: He flew more than 50 combat missions during World War II. He served when called, over and over. He was a man of deeds, not boasts.

    His example wasn’t meant for Trump alone. As he is laid to rest, Bush reminds us that when the studio audience tires of the reality show, a better, kinder, more American style of leadership might one day return. That true patriotism, honor and devotion to family are models of a life well lived, in and after politics. George H.W. Bush’s lifetime of service was capped by one last selfless act, a final gift to the country he served so well. He knew exactly what he was doing by opting not to exclude Trump from his funeral; he controlled the uncontrollable.

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    They just can't help themselves. They want to take a good man's death and somehow make it about Trump, despite GHWBs wishes, the family's wishes, really everyone's wishes, except those of the haters.

    Feel so bad for these people consumed with hatred and misery. What empty, desperate lives they must lead.

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    GHWB utterly personified the type of Republican which you've castigated roundly, these past couple of years SB. How is it that you can honestly describe Bush 41, even in a swipe at non-Trumpies here on the board, as a "good man"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
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    Which ones are not like the others?



    Behaving true to form. The Trump's disdain to recite the Apostle's Creed with the others at the George H.W. Bush funeral service. Further evidence that money cannot purchase class.



    Or perhaps it was a determinedly honest public demonstration of the Trump's lack of belief in the tenets of the Christian faith? I see that Mike Pence joined in reciting the Creed.
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    It includes that line "the forgiveness of sins", something Trump claims to have no need for.

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    Please stop using Mulroney's lovely speech as a vehicle to bash Trump.

    Please stop using GHWBs death as a vehicle to bash Trump.

    Stop the hate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    GHWB utterly personified the type of Republican which you've castigated roundly, these past couple of years SB. How is it that you can honestly describe Bush 41, even in a swipe at non-Trumpies here on the board, as a "good man"?
    Excellent point Tom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Please stop using Mulroney's lovely speech as a vehicle to bash Trump.

    Please stop using GHWBs death as a vehicle to bash Trump.

    Stop the hate!
    I do not hate Trump. Indeed, I have a prayer I say for the man every day. As I said before, the speech was not intended to bash Trump, but one cannot help but hear the speech and contrast it with the current president.

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    SB, please don't confuse questioning your integrity with expressing "hate" for Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peb View Post
    I do not hate Trump. Indeed, I have a prayer I say for the man every day. As I said before, the speech was not intended to bash Trump, but one cannot help but hear the speech and contrast it with the current president.
    ^this, exactly.

    It's a shame that remembering civility and duty and honor reflects poorly on our current President. Who's fault is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    SB, please don't confuse questioning your integrity with expressing "hate" for Trump.
    Be mindful of those direct engagement privileges, Tom.

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    Baloney. None of us need to hear a speech to know that GHWB was a better man than Trump is.

    It's hate. Nothing more. Own it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Baloney. None of us need to hear a speech to know that GHWB was a better man than Trump is.

    It's hate. Nothing more. Own it.
    Oh, I do hate everything President Trump stands for and the ways he behaves. Im saddened I have to own that about a President, but I do. Donald Trump is a hateful man who rules by fear and intimidation. There's plenty to hate about his behavior, though I don't hate the man and, like peb, pray for him.

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    like peb, pray for him.
    I have a prayer about him. Well, more like a fervent hope. That he meet his maker and get his just reward sooner rather than later. Consider it a prayer for the people.

    A tmpr liturgy, it starts with "God," and always ends after a short interrogative of His divine intent, and finishes in the standard, "migod, W A A." I say it at least twice a day since the election.
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    While the nation still mourners GHWB the Scrotus Tweets a “fake” Rasmussen poll that he’s at 50% again. The douch cant take any attention not being on him.
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    Never been a fan of Bush! But I love the paint job on the train!

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    Any pictures of the car it is pulling to carry the former president? I couldn't find that. Apparently the train's paint job and dedication was done back in 2007 for his presidential library re-opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leikec View Post
    Be mindful of those direct engagement privileges, Tom.
    The fact that he has chosen mostly not to engage with me doesn't mean that I can't engage with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peb View Post
    Any pictures of the car it is pulling to carry the former president? I couldn't find that. Apparently the train's paint job and dedication was done back in 2007 for his presidential library re-opening.



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    I'll readily admit I hate Trump. There is not one redeemable aspect to the man, and he has done some truly despicable things. To select just two from the many examples available: his "investigation" into Obama's birth certificate and subsequent inability to admit he was wrong, and calling poor countries "sh-t holes".

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