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    I know there's been a post on here about this before. But, it's an old post and, to be honest, it did not provide any useful info other than one of the members on here who said he had a set of plans.

    I happened upon a video about a Nordic Folkboat a few months back and I just can't get the boat out of my head. What sucks about the whole deal is that there doesn't seem to be anywhere a person can get a set of plans for the design. Supposedly, it was born out of the idea of being the "people's" boat. And a boat that was affordable but could be utilized in a variety of conditions. I think that idea is drawing to a close with the lack of access to the original plans for a person wanting to built themselves an original version, or even someone wanting to have a set of plans to view and consider building one. The Nordic Folkboat International Association is not responding to emails or phone when I attempt to contact them.

    Unless a person is looking is looking for very shallow draft design, the Nordic Folkboat appears to be a great design for a boat that can be transported on a trailer and used for blue-water cruising if spartan conditions are satisfactory to the crew. I do believe when used for extensive blue-water cruising, the cockpit was modified by users since it is not a self-bailing cockpit. The only actual modification I've seen though in pictures was a decked over cockpit. The design has been used multiple times in the Single-handed Trans-Atlantic Race, and came in second place in the first race.

    If anyone has a copy of the plans for this design that they'd be willing to share with me, I'd sure appreciate it.

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    Can you read russian?


    In 1963 plans of Folkboat was publeshed in the Soviet Union. Magazine "Катера и яхты" no1 p. 164-169
    I can send you this magazine by e-mail in djv

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    Just bare in mind that Nordic Folkboats are not that heavily built. UK folkboats had slightly bigger scantlings on frames and planking as the sea conditions are more severe than that usually found in the Baltic. Rigs were often modified to take lower shrouds also. You could ship a good second hand example from Sweden for less than 20% of the new build price, or perhaps sail it back if you have time.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    You could ship a good second hand example from Sweden for less than 20% of the new build price, or perhaps sail it back if you have time.......
    Last summer, one fellow buy plastic IF (International Folkbot) in Sweden for $2000. Ready to sail. Link on russian.
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    https://digitaltmuseum.se/search/?aq=text%3A"Tord+Sundén+Ritning"

    https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024784579/ritning


    Check these out. It's from the swedish maritime museum. I also know that the folkboat association of Sweden got some plans and info about templates and frames and such.



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    Quote Originally Posted by George Ferguson View Post
    I know there's been a post on here about this before. But, it's an old post and, to be honest, it did not provide any useful info other than one of the members on here who said he had a set of plans.

    I happened upon a video about a Nordic Folkboat a few months back and I just can't get the boat out of my head. What sucks about the whole deal is that there doesn't seem to be anywhere a person can get a set of plans for the design. Supposedly, it was born out of the idea of being the "people's" boat. And a boat that was affordable but could be utilized in a variety of conditions. I think that idea is drawing to a close with the lack of access to the original plans for a person wanting to built themselves an original version, or even someone wanting to have a set of plans to view and consider building one. The Nordic Folkboat International Association is not responding to emails or phone when I attempt to contact them.

    Unless a person is looking is looking for very shallow draft design, the Nordic Folkboat appears to be a great design for a boat that can be transported on a trailer and used for blue-water cruising if spartan conditions are satisfactory to the crew. I do believe when used for extensive blue-water cruising, the cockpit was modified by users since it is not a self-bailing cockpit. The only actual modification I've seen though in pictures was a decked over cockpit. The design has been used multiple times in the Single-handed Trans-Atlantic Race, and came in second place in the first race.

    If anyone has a copy of the plans for this design that they'd be willing to share with me, I'd sure appreciate it.
    I share your frustration! I've never been able to find a set of plans either. I have a Nordic Folkboat. It has a rig with extra stays and I installed a self-draining cockpit for seaworthiness. Otherwise, she's pretty much as per the plans, oh, apart from having lead ballast. I'd also be happy to pay for a good set of plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscinator View Post
    https://digitaltmuseum.se/search/?aq=text%3A"Tord+Sundén+Ritning"

    https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024784579/ritning


    Check these out. It's from the swedish maritime museum. I also know that the folkboat association of Sweden got some plans and info about templates and frames and such.



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    Thanks Oscinator!

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    George, do you want a set of Folkboat plans to study or build? The Nordic (first) Folkboat is a competitive fleet so study plans are sometimes in magazines. If you wish to build one, then contact the International Nordic Folkboat Assn http://www.folkboat.com/index.html and they will set you up with a full set of plans, there is a royalty though.

    The Nordic Folkboat is the first, there are lots of variants as the concept is good. It is good for both racing and cruising. Simple enough for a man of average means to own and maintain, but large enough for his family. Today they are trailered to regattas, they used to be sailed to regattas and with some modifications sailed across oceans. Seakindly, pretty, fast and simple, what is not to like?

    You can find old ones but restoration isn't simple. They were something of a cottage industry for Denmark after the war. Moulds were passed from builder to builder, keels were cast from scrap iron and the hardware was easy to fabricate. They could be built quickly and were relatively inexpensive. Unless you find one in very good condition, they are a lot of work to restore, but they will reward your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscinator View Post
    https://digitaltmuseum.se/search/?aq=text%3A"Tord+Sundén+Ritning"

    https://digitaltmuseum.se/011024784579/ritning


    Check these out. It's from the swedish maritime museum. I also know that the folkboat association of Sweden got some plans and info about templates and frames and such.



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    Thanks!! That's fantastic!

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    While no plans, for those who like the Nordic Folkboat this may be of interest
    https://translate.google.com/transla...lkb%25C3%25A5t
    (Google-translated, so is far from perfect but at least bits will be understandable.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemsteraak View Post
    George, do you want a set of Folkboat plans to study or build? The Nordic (first) Folkboat is a competitive fleet so study plans are sometimes in magazines. If you wish to build one, then contact the International Nordic Folkboat Assn http://www.folkboat.com/index.html and they will set you up with a full set of plans, there is a royalty though.

    The Nordic Folkboat is the first, there are lots of variants as the concept is good. It is good for both racing and cruising. Simple enough for a man of average means to own and maintain, but large enough for his family. Today they are trailered to regattas, they used to be sailed to regattas and with some modifications sailed across oceans. Seakindly, pretty, fast and simple, what is not to like?

    You can find old ones but restoration isn't simple. They were something of a cottage industry for Denmark after the war. Moulds were passed from builder to builder, keels were cast from scrap iron and the hardware was easy to fabricate. They could be built quickly and were relatively inexpensive. Unless you find one in very good condition, they are a lot of work to restore, but they will reward your efforts.
    Lemsteraak, I am looking for a set of plans to build an original version. I don't mind paying the royalty. I can't get the International Nordic Folkboat Association to respond to me though either via email or call me back. It's been really frustrating.

    Thanks a bunch for the other info you included in your comments too. I want to be able to use the boat for sailing on a very large lake near where I live, and also be able to transport it to launch at the coast for coastal sailing in the Gulf of Mexico and Carribbean. I'd actually been trying to inquire about a couple of boats that I seen advertised for sale but they turned out to be sold already (one of them multiple times after being reworked). I'm glad you mentioned that part about restoration. I would really like to build a new one anyhow.

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    Have you read Dieter Loibner's book about the Folkboat?It may have a few helpful pointers about where to look for plans and Dieter is a senior figure at our host's stable mate Professional Boatbuilder.

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    George, yes, they are available, but usually look better on paper than in person. SF Bay Folkboat Assn, is a good resource. The old wood racing boats are encouraged to race with them but occasionally one will need extensive restoration. They will try to place them in a good home as boatyards in SF that allow restorations are going away. Svendsen's in Alameda used to be the place to work on your Folkboat, they even had a special cradle, but that yard is slated for residential "redevelopment". Many of the nice SF boats are up in Pt Townsend and are restored up there.

    I don't know where you are located but one thought is to possibly import from Europe. I understand good wood Folkboats are available for adoption there and while they may seem expensive at first glance, condition is key, and may end up costing much less in the long run. They fit well in 40' cargo containers and as ocean freight is relatively inexpensive in comparison to truck freight. The Europeans tend to use their boats for cruising so may be better outfitted for your needs and many have trailers too. You could find a Ro-Ro vessel if you ship with a trailer. Just a thought .... brainstorming

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    I've got an apology to make. I did get a response from the Nordic Folkboat International Association. Harald Koglin, their Treasurer/Secretary, did respond to my emails but it went to my spam folder which I never check. He sent me an email telling me what sheets he had for drawings, the cost, and how to pay for them. So far, I've paid for them and waiting on my drawings to be sent to me.

    I do appreciate all the help, comments, and responses I've gotten on this thread today.

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    The second Jester was cold moulded and if I was thinking of a FB, I would look into that method, esp if projected use meant it would spend time ashore in the off season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Ferguson View Post
    I've got an apology to make. I did get a response from the Nordic Folkboat International Association. Harald Koglin, their Treasurer/Secretary, did respond to my emails but it went to my spam folder which I never check. He sent me an email telling me what sheets he had for drawings, the cost, and how to pay for them. So far, I've paid for them and waiting on my drawings to be sent to me.

    I do appreciate all the help, comments, and responses I've gotten on this thread today.
    Update to my original comments: The drawings sold to me by the Nordic Folkboat International Association did not include a set of lines drawings.

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    Hi George. I have also been smitten by the Nordic Folkboat and to a lesser extent Stella and am seriously considering building one of them. For me I think it will be a good long-term goal. I'd like to have one complete by my retirement years which are a long way off, in the meantime I will be building a Caledonia Yawl. Just wondering if you received your plans yet and what you think of them?

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    George, Do you have a set of plans yet. I know I have been negligent to answer. I may have a set of plans. I had a notion to build a Folkboat once and bought a set of plans. If you haven't found a set I will look around and If I find them they are yours, free. Answer here, not in notifications or private messages. I never pay any attention to them.

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    ahp, Do you remember who you bought the plans from? I'm also looking for a set. Thanks.

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    Is this going around, like the flu? I've heard about Folkboats for years, but I watched the Off-Center Harbor video four days ago and I'm totally infected.

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    Great video, thanks for sharing! Maybe if we can get enough interest we could find a way to get plans, or find a designer/NA to redraw them or at least convert to imperial units...maybe a glued lap version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foerster View Post
    ahp, Do you remember who you bought the plans from? I'm also looking for a set. Thanks.
    The Scandinavian Folkboat Association, or something like that. I seem to remember they were located in Copenhagen. I will look tomorrow.

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    Heresy warning!
    The Contessa 26 is a fiberglass variant of the folkboat. About 400 were built.
    If you can find a good one, you can go sailing years sooner and at a fraction of the cost of building anew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foerster View Post
    Hi George. I have also been smitten by the Nordic Folkboat and to a lesser extent Stella and am seriously considering building one of them. For me I think it will be a good long-term goal. I'd like to have one complete by my retirement years which are a long way off, in the meantime I will be building a Caledonia Yawl. Just wondering if you received your plans yet and what you think of them?
    If you want a comfortable little yacht that sails really well, go for the Stella. If you want a boat that sails beautifully, even in heavy weather, go for the Folkboat.

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    Foerster, I was able to purchase a set of plans from Harald Koglin at the Nordic Folkboat International Association. The set he provides is a sort of collection of drawings that isn't all from one draftsman. He does not provide a sheet that has a drawn set of lines; waterlines, buttocks, and diagonals. He does provide a table of offsets for the diagonals that is very accurate and can be used to create a set of lines drawings. I just didn't like not having a set of drafted lines I could compare against but as I moved through the lofting process I developed more confidence in the lines drawings. You actually have to use the Construction Plan sheet (in English), the Keel Plan sheet (in English), and the Table of Offsets sheet (in English) that provides the sheer line and outlines of the structural members, including the rudder, coaming, and cabin. Everything uses the metric system but once you begin to use that measurement system you'll see it has a lot of benefits.

    I've never heard of the Stella but I'd like to. I won't start building my Nordic Folkboat until Oct or Nov of this year. I've ended up having to cut my own lumber since the small mills around here are few and far between these days and not near as friendly to a customer who just wants a couple of thousand board feet of lumber milled from logs that they would have to cull for. Because of the region I am in, I'm using Longleaf Yellow Pine for my planking, White Oak for my structural members (you have make sure its not Red Oak), and Black Locust also for some of the structural members and decking. My saw actually arrives today and I'll be assembling it this weekend.

    Minuteman, that is a sweet little Nordic Folkboat in the Off-Center Harbor Video. I plan on going to the Port Townsend Boat Festival this year and hope to get a look inside it. As for redrafting, I'm actually doing that so that the plans are sort of "customized" to how I plan to build the boat. I'm building it per to meet class requirements except that I'm considering laminating some of the backbone parts and frames. That is specifically not allowed per the plans. Someone mentioned on here that because of that I won't be building a Nordic Folkboat. What they mean is that it doesn't pass class rules and can not participate in official racing events for Nordic Folkboats. You should consider that if it makes a difference for you. I'd also mentioned that I'm considering using a revised keel made up of deadwood and lead, as opposed to cast iron. I don't think the chances of me doing that are very high though and I'll probably use a cast iron keel. I'm raising the sole in the cockpit and building it as a self-draining cockpit. That is allowed per the plans. I've searched and low for a design I can tow on a trailer to various areas I'd like to cruise in around the North America area. The Nordic Folkboat provides what I'm looking for; decent cabin size, designed to be seaworthy in rough waters, light weight enough to tow, and economical to build. I plan on taking a few years to build it as my primary woodworking project.

    FYI, something to note about feedback you will get on this forum. Keep in mind there are those with their own ideas, various levels of confidence, productive feedback to your questions, and some interesting criticism without any productive comments, etcetera. But, in the end, what you do is what really matters. If you reverse those decisions (and you should sometimes), it can take a lot of re-work to get back to where you want to be in the process. I've never built a boat before but I've mulled over it for years and now, like you, I'm building one to use close to and when I retire. I'm still almost at the very start of this process but I've done a lot of reading and "practiced" lofting a whole lot. In my opinion, being comfortable with your lofting is very important. I've learned a lot of stuff in the process of practicing. For example, lofting this boat can be tricky at the transom since I didn't have a lines drawings or any info to really go off of for the transom shape other than how my lines faired out there. A couple of the designs I'd practiced on before this one were double enders. One day while looking at my Nordic Folkboat lines I realized that the transom on this design is just a section through what is essentially a double ender. So I lofted the Nordic Folkboat out as a "double-ender" and then used the line created by the stern post and face of transom as a section to draw. It worked out much better. There is a little quirky area in the sheer line and body sections at the mid-ship area but its so small it probably won't matter. I noticed it was being reflected in my planking lines so I'll probably work on that a little more before I actually start building anything.

    Stay in touch, I look forward to conversing with some folks who may be building Nordic Folkboats at the same time I am. Also, there a blog by a guy in Australia who is building a Nordic Folkboat. He actually already has one and is just building a new one to use in place of his old one. He's also installing an inboard motor. I don't plan to do that. And there are pictures on Flickr of the Nordic Folkboat built recently by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

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    These folks must have plans. https://www.nwswb.edu/nordic-folkboat/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    If you want a comfortable little yacht that sails really well, go for the Stella. If you want a boat that sails beautifully, even in heavy weather, go for the Folkboat.

    Rick
    I read an article on Stella. Makes a person who is just starting the Nordic Folkboat build wonder if they shouldn't build a Stella instead. LOL!

    There's even a revised version of Stella, a Twister, that has a reputation of being a fast seaworthy small cruising/racing boat. Both of these designs exceed the weight requirements I am trying to stay under though. The Stella sure is tempting though.
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    A few years ago, I sent to the class secretary (Treasurer/Secretary(?)) for plans for the Folkboat. I received them after paying about $220 via a direct deposit of a bank draft. I don't see the name of the person with whom I corresponded, but here are the current officers of the Association. I should think anyone of them should be able to set you on the correct path.







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    Chairman
    Sřren Kćstel Phone +45 40 31 42 29
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    Alter Feldweg 9a Mail vice-chairman(at)folkboat.com
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    Treasurer / Secretary
    Harald Koglin Phone +49 175 822 82 18
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    Lennart Magnusson - Chairman Phone +46 708 609900
    Näsets Vinkelväg 12 Mail technical_chairman(at)folkboat.com
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    Heinz-Werner Aping (GER) - Chief measurer Mail tc_chiefmeasurer(at)folkboat.com
    Simon Osgood (GB) - Technical support Mail tc_support(at)folkboat.com
    t.b.a - Technical expert Mail tc_engineer(at)folkboat.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimConlin View Post
    Heresy warning!
    The Contessa 26 is a fiberglass variant of the folkboat. About 400 were built.
    If you can find a good one, you can go sailing years sooner and at a fraction of the cost of building anew.
    There is a book "Contessa" written for or about a lady who sailed one around the world, sometimes with company, but I am not sure.

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    There is something a bit odd in suggesting on a wooden boat forum that someone planning to build a traditional wooden boat should go and buy a GRP derivative instead. I know it's all well-intentioned and certainly makes sense, and interesting too, but odd.

    Rick

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    Rick, google "A star to steer her by" the bio. of Ann Gash, the sailing granny who sailed the folkboat "ILIMO" from Sydney around the world in 1975. quite interesting tale.

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    Thanks but yes, I know the story and actually have some friends who knew her well.

    Rick

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    Rick,

    108&56.jpg

    One of these boats is glass, the other wood - can you tell the difference?

    The far one is the woodie. Sophie, the red one, can fool anyone, she was pictured in Woodenboat. They sail the same but there is a real difference in how they sound, the old wood ones are really soothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    There is something a bit odd in suggesting on a wooden boat forum that someone planning to build a traditional wooden boat should go and buy a GRP derivative instead. I know it's all well-intentioned and certainly makes sense, and interesting too, but odd.

    Rick
    I’ve known a number of people who had limited boatbuilding experience and underestimated the demands of time, money and family support that building a new boat of any size demands. There have been damage to relationships, fortunes and dreams. There is no good exit from a building project that’s taken more time, money or forbearance than planned. It’s often hard to give away a half-done boat.
    Selling an existing boat can be done, but it’s far from a seller’s market. It’s far better from the buyer’s side. The cost of buying a used boat is often a fraction of the materials cost of building a similar boat. An added benefit is that you can take your newly bought boat sailing the next day.
    I greatly enjoy building boats (now at 15 and counting), about as much as I enjoy using them. If you want to do both, I’d recommend buying a used boat that you can use today and enjoying the process of building the small beautiful boat that enhances your enjoyment of it. Start with a dinghy.

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    They're both great boats! I have NO problem with GRP boats at all - a good boat is a good boat! And yes, I do like the sound and feel of wood and I like working with wood.

    I just think it's funny (not wrong) when a guy talks about building a wooden Folkboat on a wooden boat forum and people suggest buying a GRP Contessa instead. I've heard Contessas are great boats too.

    Rick

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