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    Slate had an interesting article on the lame duck powergrabs the GOP is doing in NC, Wis, and Michigan

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-carolina.html
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    I think we should petition the UN and the World Court to supervise our national elections and charge every repbublican incumbent at the federal level with complicity to commit crimes against humanity and then ship them all off to a fake island in the Indian Ocean. A small one. Let 'em govern that for a while.
    I don't care to know what the tough do when the going gets tough.

    I am interested in what the enlightened do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    I think we should petition the UN and the World Court to supervise our national elections and charge every repbublican incumbent at the federal level with complicity to commit crimes against humanity and then ship them all off to a fake island in the Indian Ocean. A small one. Let 'em govern that for a while.
    A very low-lying one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    I think we should petition the UN and the World Court to supervise our national elections and charge every repbublican incumbent at the federal level with complicity to commit crimes against humanity and then ship them all off to a fake island in the Indian Ocean. A small one. Let 'em govern that for a while.
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    I agree with you. I have often said that voting needs to be run nationally, right down to control of the machines. The Federal Government should have a warehouse in each state where it stores the SAME make and model voting machine for every state in the union.
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    Couldn't agree more, but "states' rights," eh? Seems to me that the Federal government should have the capacity to enforce identical processes for Federal elections though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    A very low-lying one.
    It should be called Low-lying-low-liars-laying-low-island, Federal Pen (Sic)

    And the administration of it should be outsourced to the low-lyingest bidder.

    And we should the sue the personal estates of each one of the inmates, and then sign them up for a BankofAmerica account, and then charge 'em a fee for it, and bill them for their bedding and rice, and include a fee for processing them, and a just because fee, too.

    Edited to add: I feel strongly about this.
    I don't care to know what the tough do when the going gets tough.

    I am interested in what the enlightened do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Voting laws should be nationalized and applied to all states, not determined by the whims of any state legislature to create laws that disenfranchise certain classes of it's citizens; blacks, the elderly, native Americans etc. This is right down for time for early voting which varies by state a lot. And absentee ballots
    Agreed. Also a minimum number of places and machines for a given number of voters. Paper trail.

    I'd like to go a bit further and have primaries go in different order from election to election.
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    I'm not arguing with you - I've been absolutely stunned by the practices and variations that have been reported in this election cycle, let alone prior ones. The trouble arises from America's treatment of its Constitution as Holy Scripture, divinely inspired and dictated to your sainted Founders inerrant and complete after perhaps 15 Amendments. What you're discussing (and I agree, what would be best) would require a present day Constitutional Amendment ... and if such were able to be achieved on this issue, you wouldn't need it.
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    "... people with the mentality of gangsters come to the fore"
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    So help me with a civics lesson here. Why can’t the incoming Democrats simply reverse this crap?

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    The districts for State Houses are so seriously gerrymandered that many of the Houses retained Republican majorities even though (as the Governor elections illustrated) the Dems whipped them in the popular vote. A Governor can only sign into law the bills the Legislature passes to him/her, and a Rep caucus crooked enough to eviscerate Governors' powers because a Dem won the office won't rescind their own spiteful bill voluntarily. The cure for this lies with SCOTUS, which will rule relatively soon on the level of gerrymandering for partisan purposes it deems "acceptable." They've signaled that software advances mean they won't kick this issue down the road again ... but that was before Kavanaugh joined the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    The districts for State Houses are so seriously gerrymandered that many of the Houses retained Republican majorities even though (as the Governor elections illustrated) the Dems whipped them in the popular vote. A Governor can only sign into law the bills the Legislature passes to him/her, and a Rep caucus crooked enough to eviscerate Governors' powers because a Dem won the office won't rescind their own spiteful bill voluntarily. The cure for this lies with SCOTUS, which will rule relatively soon on the level of gerrymandering for partisan purposes it deems "acceptable." They've signaled that software advances mean they won't kick this issue down the road again ... but that was before Kavanaugh joined the bench.
    On the gerrymandering: In Wisconsin, Democratic state legislators got 190,000 more votes than Republicans. Results: Republicans won 63 of 99 seats in the state Senate,.

    With legislatures permanently immune to voters, the lame duck sessions can do a lot that the new duly elected governor and attorney general can't do anything about. Keep in mind, voters elected these leaders largely on their promise to pull Wisconsin out of an anti-ACA lawsuit. And the lame duck session just removed their power to do so. A direct contravention of the will of the people.

    Republicans are slimier than slime. Completely beneath contempt. These days, anyone who supports them or condones their tactics is equally deserving of contempt.

    I do not hold much hope for today's Supreme Court to do anything at all to restrict gerrymandering. I hope I am wrong.

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    Kerguelen sounds naice, Skiing in winter too!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Mahan View Post
    I think we should petition the UN and the World Court to supervise our national elections and charge every repbublican incumbent at the federal level with complicity to commit crimes against humanity and then ship them all off to a fake island in the Indian Ocean. A small one. Let 'em govern that for a while.
    Last edited by purri; 12-07-2018 at 01:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    On the gerrymandering: In Wisconsin, Democratic state legislators got 190,000 more votes than Republicans. Results: Republicans won 63 of 99 seats in the state Senate,.

    With legislatures permanently immune to voters, the lame duck sessions can do a lot that the new duly elected governor and attorney general can't do anything about. Keep in mind, voters elected these leaders largely on their promise to pull Wisconsin out of an anti-ACA lawsuit. And the lame duck session just removed their power to do so. A direct contravention of the will of the people.

    Republicans are slimier than slime. Completely beneath contempt. These days, anyone who supports them or condones their tactics is equally deserving of contempt.

    I do not hold much hope for today's Supreme Court to do anything at all to restrict gerrymandering. I hope I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    On the gerrymandering: In Wisconsin, Democratic state legislators got 190,000 more votes than Republicans. Results: Republicans won 63 of 99 seats in the state Senate,.

    With legislatures permanently immune to voters, the lame duck sessions can do a lot that the new duly elected governor and attorney general can't do anything about. Keep in mind, voters elected these leaders largely on their promise to pull Wisconsin out of an anti-ACA lawsuit. And the lame duck session just removed their power to do so. A direct contravention of the will of the people.

    Republicans are slimier than slime. Completely beneath contempt. These days, anyone who supports them or condones their tactics is equally deserving of contempt.

    I do not hold much hope for today's Supreme Court to do anything at all to restrict gerrymandering. I hope I am wrong.

    Tom
    The difference between gerrymandered district voting, and level playing field state wide voting is why the far right wing has long argued to repeal the 17th amendment and return the election of senators to state legislators rather than the public.

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    Wisconsin residents rumored to be streaming into Canada... seeking representative government...

    Can any of our Canadian Bilge Rats confirm? <G>
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    I'll be streaming into Canada sometime around July, pulling this boat behind me on a trailer:

    cropped photo.jpg

    Maybe this time they'll let me stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryrichter View Post
    The difference between gerrymandered district voting, and level playing field state wide voting is why the far right wing has long argued to repeal the 17th amendment and return the election of senators to state legislators rather than the public.
    Except that it's the state legislators who are immune to voters because of gerrymandering, and the U.S. Senate isn't affected by gerrymandered districts as electing senators is a statewide popular vote. So letting state legislators elect the national Senate just guarantees further unfairness. Did I miss something about how it would be helpful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    I agree with you. I have often said that voting needs to be run nationally, right down to control of the machines. The Federal Government should have a warehouse in each state where it stores the SAME make and model voting machine for every state in the union.
    There are actually countries who have free and fair elections and voting pocesses, The USA could ask for advice, I'm sure your friends would offer assistance .
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    The regression of the DSA (Disunited States) seems to be well under way, and showing no signs of slowing.

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    .
    Well worth repeating:

    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom
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