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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    With 4 months stockpiled Ben and Jerries ice cream, Magnums and Viagra, on this British side of the Channel we can now say our national preparations are fully complete.


    https://www.thepharmacist.co.uk/phar...ead-of-brexit/

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/u...-a4054731.html
    Does anybody really think, in the event of 'no deal', that customs arrangements, transport links, JIT deliveries etc. will all be working properly after four months?
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    If the people are so resolute about leaving, they must have given it a great deal of thought. Having given it a great deal of thought, where did this morass of micro-policy and micro-procedure come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    If the people are so resolute about leaving, they must have given it a great deal of thought. Having given it a great deal of thought, where did this morass of micro-policy and micro-procedure come from?
    There is your first dumb assumption.
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    Was there in the lead up to the referendum any discussion of the notion that by leaving, Britain would become even more subordinate to US power than it is today?

    Any discussion on whether that possibility is or is not in the larger national interest (or indeed, that of the world)?

    Stated differently, does Britain have some kind of obligation to the world to remain (or indeed, on the other hand, to leave)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Was there in the lead up to the referendum any discussion of the notion that by leaving, Britain would become even more subordinate to US power than it is today?

    Any discussion on whether that possibility is or is not in the larger national interest (or indeed, that of the world)?

    Stated differently, does Britain have some kind of obligation to the world to remain (or indeed, on the other hand, to leave)?
    I think the EU has an obligation to take a long hard look at itself, because there are obviously some real problems there - if everything was peachy, we wouldn't be where we are today.
    No-deal Brexit makes Trump's trade war and dysfunctional administration look positively sane by comparison, which is really saying something - I'm surprised there isn't some sort of legal challenge to the economic seppuku that May's government is about to inflict on the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Was there in the lead up to the referendum any discussion of the notion that by leaving, Britain would become even more subordinate to US power than it is today?

    Any discussion on whether that possibility is or is not in the larger national interest (or indeed, that of the world)?

    Stated differently, does Britain have some kind of obligation to the world to remain (or indeed, on the other hand, to leave)?
    The only oibligation that the UK has is not to screw up the Northern Ireland Peace Agreement by instituting a hard customs border between Irelnd and the Six Counties.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Apparently, when someone at the BBC dusted off the text and read it, there isn't actually anything in the Good Friday Agreement that says there should 'not be a border'. It just says that the military security infrastructure should be removed and things put back to 'normal' condition. It does not state that there should be no border or inspections between the two countries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46988529
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    There is your first dumb assumption.
    If it gives the British too much credit, I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    Apparently, when someone at the BBC dusted off the text and read it, there isn't actually anything in the Good Friday Agreement that says there should 'not be a border'. It just says that the military security infrastructure should be removed and things put back to 'normal' condition. It does not state that there should be no border or inspections between the two countries.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46988529
    Whatever the agreement says, custom check points on the border pose a real threat of the Protestant and Catholic nutters digging up their guns and mixing diesel and fertilizer again. There is still sporadic violence by those who did not want the Troubles to stop.

    Furthermore if you voted leave to control immigration, you are going to need border posts and checks.
    Checks on immigration are possible but it’s hard to forecast

    World War II aside, there have never been controls on migration between the UK and Ireland.
    The Common Travel Area means “minimal or non-existent border controls”, in the words of an Irish parliamentary report.
    In practice the land border is almost completely open, but airlines and ferry operators still require photo ID, which doesn’t always have to be a passport. Passengers are always asked for passports at airports where immigration officers can’t tell that they’ve come from within the Common Travel Area.
    Nevertheless, people can use the open border to travel illegally from Ireland to Northern Ireland and on to the rest of the UK, and likewise in the other direction.
    This is currently addressed by “Operation Gull”, in which immigration officers check passengers on routes between Northern Ireland and the island of Great Britain. This is designed to compensate for the lack of checks on unauthorised travel across the north/south border.
    It depends what restrictions the UK puts on EU immigration

    Claiming this won’t change after Brexit assumes that these measures will still be enough to police the open border. Leave campaigners pointed out during the referendum that the Common Travel Area was in place before the EU even existed, and this has since been echoed by the Brexit Secretary.
    This is true, but there’s never been a situation where Ireland accepted free movement of people and the UK didn’t.
    If the UK wants to put restrictions on EU immigration or short visits, that might generate more illegal cross-border movement. At the moment, Operation Gull only has to catch unauthorised migrants from non-EU countries.
    It’s at least possible that increased pressure on the border force will lead to a demand either for passport checks at the north/south border, or passport checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
    There is also this
    The EU’s concern is that the single market has to be protected and it can’t allow sub-standard goods to get into Ireland (and on to elsewhere in the EU) via a Britain-Northern Ireland route. It has used the example of Asian shrimps laced with antibiotics that cause blindness banned by the EU getting into Ireland via Liverpool-Belfast.
    The new idea is to try to persuade the UK that most of the goods going into Northern Ireland go via Dublin, so checks for EU standards in British ports could form part of a solution.
    What is the UK’s position?

    Downing Street has said it will not consider EU checks by EU staff or British staff in British ports.
    May has not provided any alternative to the EU’s legal text but argues that the white paper and the Chequers plan amount to a de facto backstop.
    If Britain had a “common rulebook” with the EU matching standards of agrifood and goods then regulatory checks would not be needed. Customs declarations and VAT checks could be done electronically.
    Now I like the common rule book idea on food quality. Chlorinated chicken anyone?
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    Well that didn't work. Try this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Well that didn't work. Try this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Well that didn't work. Try this.

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    That may well be!

    Here's hoping the Indy2 referendum klaxon is pressed shortly.
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    The government has started to recruit civilians to work in an emergency command and control centre being set up to try to make sure Britain runs smoothly in the aftermath of a potential no-deal Brexit.

    Briefing notes issued by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) to recruitment agencies state the EU Exit Emergencies Centre (EUXE) could stay open “potentially for two years”.

    The chief executive of the civil service, John Manzoni, has already said it is looking to second 5,000 civil servants, with volunteers sought in non-Brexit departments including the Department for Education and the Department for International Development.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/08/brexit-no-deal-crisis-command-centre-starts-hiring-civilians

    Yeah that'll work. Draft in a bunch of novices and new graduates with no work experience. What could go wrong?
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    If she actually delivers "no deal" on March 29, my assessment of her will change dramatically. It already is beginning to. She is on the cusp on becoming one of the most consequential political leaders of the new democratic age. Will she seize it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    If she actually delivers "no deal" on March 29, my assessment of her will change dramatically. It already is beginning to. She is on the cusp on becoming one of the most consequential political leaders of the new democratic age. Will she seize it?
    Funny way to spell incompetent.
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    Brexit has grown into something that is civilizational in scope. I hope she appreciates this. I think she does.

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    ^ You do talk funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    If she actually delivers "no deal" on March 29, my assessment of her will change dramatically. It already is beginning to. She is on the cusp on becoming one of the most consequential political leaders of the new democratic age. Will she seize it?
    So, the PM formulates a plan to exit the EU softly, with a deal of sorts, and protection for the Irish border. But her own party, let alone the opposition, reject that plan, and she has to face a vote of no-confidence. So she tries to tweak the plan, and goes cap in hand back to the EU to ask if they can help her make it more acceptable to parliament. Then there is an overwhelming vote in parliament that assured MPs that 'no-deal' could never be an option.

    So if we crash out without a deal anyway, that somehow makes the PM a consequential politician

    No wonder you like Trump, it seems that you find a degree of incompetence appealing.
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    It's bigger now than just what you "get." Bigger than some "deal."

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    A bigger ruddy mess, certainly.

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    Further to ACB's post #429

    A controversial ferry contract awarded to a company with no ships as part of no-deal Brexit plans has been scrapped, the government has said.
    Ministers had faced criticism for the £13.8m deal with Seaborne Freight, which has never run a ferry service.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182361
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    Yet another "Oh we didn't anticipate that". As I understand it, there are many countries worldwide that have free-trade agreements with the EU. When we leave the EU they won't apply to the UK until we make new deals..

    British exporters sending goods to far-flung destinations in the coming days risk being locked out of harbours around the world as a no-deal Brexit looms, business leaders have warned.
    Independent trade experts and the UK’s biggest business groups said exporters could be dispatching goods from UK ports imminently that would not arrive until after the 29 March deadline. This raised the prospect of goods being stuck in ports or facing hefty additional costs in the event of a disorderly Brexit.


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    What are you doing about it?




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    Thanks - that's a keeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Yes that's pretty amusing

    I particularly like this bit..

    The UK “Prime Minister” who styles herself on 1980s predecessor and ally of murderous Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet, Margaret Thatcher, seized power in the aftermath of her party’s referendum on European Union membership, which opposition groups allege was rigged, and neighbouring states declared illegitimate.
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    Very similar send-up in this week's Private Eye, along with a further one on Trump.

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    There is a new idea: MPs from the sane wing of the Conservative Party are offering to back Mrs May’s Withdrawal Agreement on condition that it is put to a referendum.

    This is so sensible that it is bound to be rubbished by almost everyone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ckbencher-plan
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    It HAS to end this way: we need a referendum. Two and a half years of going nowhere. A ferry-less ferry company. A real risk of The Troubles 2.0. Businesses fleeing. Shortages guaranteed. Parliament locked in crisis. Endless guff of unicorn fixes for this, that, and the other.

    We now have all the known-knowns we'd ever want, in order to make a considered decision by way of a new referendum. This is a wholly different position to that of June 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    Question is of course, who will America recognise as Prime Minister?
    Better get the pinwheel out of the cupboard for Ol' Don.


    Corbyn under some pressure to do the bleeding obvious too.....
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    He follows Lyndon La Rouche...
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    It seems now that there will be no delay nor any new "referendum." Britain will make a clean, hard Brexit on March 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    It seems now that there will be no delay nor any new "referendum." Britain will make a clean, hard Brexit on March 29.
    Want to put some money on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puttputt View Post
    Want to put some money on it?
    I would never do something so crude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    It's bigger now than just what you "get." Bigger than some "deal."
    Even God couldn't sink it.
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