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    Quote Originally Posted by NickW View Post
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    Jeremy backing Boris?? The world's going crazy.
    In my opinion Mr. Corbyn only talks about politics but is absolutely unable to make politics, excluded party internal obstruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    [...] Why is Labour anti-Europe?
    Corbyn dreams of building a socialist Europe in a very few years. And he thinks Brussels will not be helpful.

    Labour is against a no deal brexit, but I think in private Corbyn would like it, followed by a steep fall in British economics, as long it is done by Tories. He thinks it will then encourage a revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Do they split at the same points on the pro/anti Europe spectrum? Why is Labour anti-Europe?
    Labour only changed policy from pro EU to anti EU when Corbyn and his far left supporters took over. It is apparent that Corbyn is a sort of Wedgy Benn light who has not has a new idea for 30 years. Before Corbyn the Labour party were well informed about the benefits to the British economy, industry, and employment law that were directly attributable to Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Cars going which way would be taxed at 10% i.e. UK to EU or EU to UK?

    Dairy products going which way would be taxed at 35%+ i.e. UK to EU or EU to UK?
    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    That would be the duty imposed by EU countries on, for example cars, manufactured in the UK and sold to EU countries. I got the data from the BBC, and it is based on tariffs currently imposed on imports from non-EU countries, such as the USA..
    https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariff...000&country=US

    That's precisely why car manufacturers like Nissan are threatening to leave the UK in the event of a hard Brexit..
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...st-hard-brexit

    The UK is currently only a member of the WTO as a member of the EU. If/when we leave we will have to construct our own scale of WTO tariffs, which has not been done yet.

    Another interesting point for WTO members is that of non-discrimination. Once our scale of tariffs is established we can't give any friendly country a more favourable rate, or vice-versa. All must be treated equally, unless we negotiate a trade deal with them. Also, if we can contrive a way of having an open border with Ireland, with no checks/no tariffs, then we would be obliged to offer the same freedom of access to all other WTO members.
    Greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heimfried View Post
    Corbyn dreams of building a socialist Europe in a very few years. And he thinks Brussels will not be helpful.
    Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by heimfried View Post
    Labour is against a no deal brexit, but I think in private Corbyn would like it, followed by a steep fall in British economics, as long it is done by Tories. He thinks it will then encourage a revolution.
    You've got to be kidding. If he wants revolution, why is he in Parliament?

    Is this one of these the worse, the better, socialism in one country type deals?
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    Meanwhile, the fustercluck continues to generate uncertainty..

    City financial firms have so far committed to move at least 7,000 jobs and £1 trillion of assets out of the UK to prepare for Brexit, with the true cost likely to be higher, research has found.
    Brexit has also cost firms £4bn as they have moved staff, taken out legal advice and implemented contingency plans, accounting and consultancy firm EY found.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8975711.html

    The proposers of hi-tech solutions to avoid Irish border checks after Brexit, backed by Boris Johnson, have admitted they have no idea what they would cost.
    Quizzed by MPs, the head of the Prosperity UK think-tank denied the annual bill would be £13bn, but acknowledged: “We don’t have a figure.”
    The stance was criticised by one MP on the Commons Northern Ireland committee, independent Syliva Hermon, who told Shanker Singham: “Somewhere you must have made a calculation of the cost?”


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8975241.html

    British carmakers have called on the next prime minister to strike a Brexit deal, saying failure to do so would cost the industry £50,000 a minute just from border delays.
    The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) issued its warning against hard Brexit as it published a comprehensive report into the car industry, the country’s single biggest exporter of goods.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8973796.html

    Japan’s foreign minister said Thursday he has pleaded with Britain to avoid a no-deal Brexit, as the candidates vying to be the next UK prime minister warn they could take out of the EU without an agreement.
    Noting that more than 1,000 Japanese companies currently operate in Britain, Kono warned a disorderly departure from the European Union risked disrupting investment.
    “Many companies are worried about (the) implications because they don’t know what’s going to happen,” he said.
    “Some companies (are) already ... moving their operations to other places in Europe.
    “There’s going to be less investment – anything could happen.”


    https://www.nst.com.my/world/2019/06...reign-minister
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    [...]
    You've got to be kidding. If he wants revolution, why is he in Parliament?
    [...]
    I should have put "revolution" into quote marks to show it is not meant literally.
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    Jeremy would absolutely love a revolution. He'd most probably make the Red Flag our new national anthem.

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    Rats and sinking ships spring to mind..

    The top government official in charge of no-deal Brexit planning has quit just as the chances of crashing out of the EU appear to have increased.
    Tom Shinner, 33, director of policy and delivery coordination at the Department for Exiting the EU, was in charge of coordinating the domestic policy implications of Brexit across government departments to ensure a smooth exit from the EU.

    His departure comes hot on the heels after Karen Wheeler, the official in charge of “frictionless” Brexit border planning including emergency plans for Dover and Northern Ireland in the event of no deal, left her post in Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs.

    A former aide to the ex-Brexit secretary David Davis once said Shinner was so pivotal to no-deal planning that if he left his job Brexit would not happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...planning-quits
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    Re last line- I can only hope.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Rats and sinking ships spring to mind..

    The top government official in charge of no-deal Brexit planning has quit just as the chances of crashing out of the EU appear to have increased.
    Tom Shinner, 33, director of policy and delivery coordination at the Department for Exiting the EU, was in charge of coordinating the domestic policy implications of Brexit across government departments to ensure a smooth exit from the EU.

    His departure comes hot on the heels after Karen Wheeler, the official in charge of “frictionless” Brexit border planning including emergency plans for Dover and Northern Ireland in the event of no deal, left her post in Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs.

    A former aide to the ex-Brexit secretary David Davis once said Shinner was so pivotal to no-deal planning that if he left his job Brexit would not happen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...planning-quits
    Wrong simile. Wise owls taking flight perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Re last line- I can only hope.....
    Me too! But then along came the Boris and Jeremy clown show, both keen for us all to hold hands and jump off the cliff, just to please the euro-sceptic base and keep them from migrating to Farage.
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    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    If you think that Trump, Farage, and Boris are honest competent politicians, you might think that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Funny, I would have taken you for a loyalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Yes, they crashed out of the empire. Then there were two nations where before there was one. They immediately began to rationalize tariffs and trade between them, settle disputes by arbitration, and even, some say, laying the foundation of a military alliance, or an arrangement, anyway.

    Joseph Ellis finds the terms of the [Jay] treaty "one-sided in Britain's favor", but asserts with a consensus of historians that it was

    . . . a shrewd bargain for the United States. It bet, in effect, on England rather than France as the hegemonic European power of the future, which proved prophetic. It recognized the massive dependence of the American economy on trade with England. In a sense it was a precocious preview of the Monroe Doctrine (1823), for it linked American security and economic development to the British fleet, which provided a protective shield of incalculable value throughout the nineteenth century. Mostly, it postponed war with England until America was economically and politically more capable of fighting one.
    -- wikipedia
    There were howls about the consequent loss of sovereignty in both nations. They turned out to be without substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post

    There were howls about the consequent loss of sovereignty in both nations. They turned out to be without substance.
    Where as today we have howls about an imagined loss of sovereignty that has not actually happened.
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    Brexit and the impending appointment of one of the Tory contenders (Johnson/Hunt) as Britain´s PM.....

    I saw a program televised last night on BBC World, with just two personalities : Mr. Stephen Sackur, an artful and hard-hitting Beeb interviewer and on the other side, former British PM Sir John Major.

    I listened to every second of it, and had I been warned, would have arranged to record it.

    Sir John Major came across as a learned sage, long removed from Britain´s highest office, or if you like, despite it ! Mr Sackur accustomed to catch out lesser prey had to contend with reality !

    Brexit´s larger picture was made available for all to see, with near zero partisan (Tory/Labour) content, on the contrary a realistic presentation of Brexit´s impact on Britain and it´s people.

    Who would have thought that the former British PM - sneered at in the past for not having been to university, a mere junior manager at a bank - would have mushroomed into this towering figure ? And he is a cricket fan and seems to be in incredibly good shape too !

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    A shame he didn't have a spine 20 years ago.

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    Same argument, presented on a different meme.
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    Didn't the immigration situation have something to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Didn't the immigration situation have something to do with it.
    Only for a certain kind of Little Englander/Nationalist. The Scots are fiercely nationalist, but voted overwhelmingly to remain (62% to 38% to remain in the EU).

    Northern Ireland also voted against Brexit - 44.2% of people in Northern Ireland voted to leave the EU, while 55.8% voted to remain.
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    Blair must be looking fairly good again to Labour right about now...

    This reminds me of Nixon's impeachment. They could not move against him until they had gotten Spiro Agnew, his Veep, out of the way. Similarly, Labour can't really make a move until they oust Corbyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artif View Post
    Been breathing wayy to much fumes, addled his little grey cells.
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    Its the week of the British GP and his name hasn't been in the papers much of late.

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    Stolen from a letter to the Independent..

    There is still no plan, still no way to turn an emotional appeal of independence and self-government into a practical reality. Saying there is no plan is too kind. The entire concept is flawed: independence? Brexit will lead to more dependence. Self-government? There is nothing to govern that cannot already be governed today - and currently they can't do it properly. However, it isn’t a plan for Brexit that we are missing, we’re missing a reason for Brexit.
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    Yep.
    Apart from the racist anti-immigrant reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Only for a certain kind of Little Englander/Nationalist. The Scots are fiercely nationalist, but voted overwhelmingly to remain (62% to 38% to remain in the EU).

    Northern Ireland also voted against Brexit - 44.2% of people in Northern Ireland voted to leave the EU, while 55.8% voted to remain.
    So what was the England and Wales percentages from your source to end up with the overall % to leave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    So what was the England and Wales percentages from your source to end up with the overall % to leave?
    If you are looking for correlations, Daily Wail readership is interesting. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...ption-2018.pdf
    England 13% get their news from the Wail
    Wales 10%
    Norn Iron 7%
    Scotland 0%

    The referendum results are so three years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    So what was the England and Wales percentages from your source to end up with the overall % to leave?
    Always happy to oblige, but you know Google is your friend
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/...rendum/results

    I was astonished when Wales voted to leave. I watched a documentary on TV where people in South Wales were asked why they voted leave when the EU had provided so much regional funding to the area. They said things like "Well we're just getting back what we put in isn't it?". Totally untrue. South Wales is one of the most depressed regions in the UK due to coal mine and steel foundry closures, and were specifically targeted for EU regional development funding. They got much more back in regional subsidies than any other area in the UK.

    Currently more than £2 billion is allocated to Wales through EU Structural funding between 2014 and 2020.
    In total Wales receives more than double the amount of money per person than any other region of the UK:

    http://www.assembly.wales/en/newhome...px?itemid=1835
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Always happy to oblige, but you know Google is your friend
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/...rendum/results

    I was astonished when Wales voted to leave. I watched a documentary on TV where people in South Wales were asked why they voted leave when the EU had provided so much regional funding to the area. They said things like "Well we're just getting back what we put in isn't it?". Totally untrue. South Wales is one of the most depressed regions in the UK due to coal mine and steel foundry closures, and were specifically targeted for EU regional development funding. They got much more back in regional subsidies than any other area in the UK.

    Currently more than £2 billion is allocated to Wales through EU Structural funding between 2014 and 2020.
    In total Wales receives more than double the amount of money per person than any other region of the UK:

    http://www.assembly.wales/en/newhome...px?itemid=1835
    Sadly the Welsh do not have a monopoly of ignorance on the benefits of EU membership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    Always happy to oblige, but you know Google is your friend
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/...rendum/results

    I was astonished when Wales voted to leave. I watched a documentary on TV where people in South Wales were asked why they voted leave when the EU had provided so much regional funding to the area. They said things like "Well we're just getting back what we put in isn't it?". Totally untrue. South Wales is one of the most depressed regions in the UK due to coal mine and steel foundry closures, and were specifically targeted for EU regional development funding. They got much more back in regional subsidies than any other area in the UK.

    Currently more than £2 billion is allocated to Wales through EU Structural funding between 2014 and 2020.
    In total Wales receives more than double the amount of money per person than any other region of the UK:

    http://www.assembly.wales/en/newhome...px?itemid=1835

    Thanks for that particular link.

    It was interesting to see the votes cast.

    Surprised me to see how small the Scottish vote (although majority to remain was 642,849) of 2,679,513 was in comparison to the total 33,551,983 votes cast. Some 7.99%.
    Nation results

    England

    Leave 53.4%
    15,188,406 VOTES

    Remain 46.6%
    13,266,996 VOTES





    Counting complete
    Turnout: 73.0%


    Northern Ireland

    Leave 44.2%
    349,442 VOTES

    Remain 55.8%
    440,707 VOTES





    Counting complete
    Turnout: 62.7%


    Scotland

    Leave 38.0%
    1,018,322 VOTES

    Remain 62.0%
    1,661,191 VOTES





    Counting complete
    Turnout: 67.2%


    Wales

    Leave 52.5%
    854,572 VOTES

    Remain 47.5%
    772,347 VOTES





    Counting complete
    Turnout: 71.7%
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    Anyone want a job?

    The Brexit Party advertises job vacancy for IT technician and it all goes wrong.....

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...rong-1-6147655
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Thanks for that particular link.

    It was interesting to see the votes cast.

    Surprised me to see how small the Scottish vote (although majority to remain was 642,849) of 2,679,513 was in comparison to the total 33,551,983 votes cast. Some 7.99%.
    Turn out figures are more relevant (67.2%). Scotland is Big, really Big, but most of it is uninhabited bog.
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