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    in a California bar on a 'student night'.

    https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/20...ks/1469904002/

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    From the BeeB
    Police are responding to reports of a mass shooting at bar in Thousand Oaks, California.
    Police say at least six people, including one officer, were injured when gunfire broke out the Borderline Bar and Grill at about 23:20 local time on Wednesday.
    It is not yet clear if there are any fatalities.
    Footage broadcast on local media showed people being carried away from the scene, apparently with bullet wounds.
    Police say they are still working to get the scene under control. They cannot yet confirm if the suspect is on the loose.
    The bar was hosting a college country music night on Wednesday, according to its website.
    Witnesses who were at the bar are describing a scene of panic.
    Reports say the suspect may have used smoke grenades as well as a gun in the attack.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459
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    You beat me to it Jeff.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Thirteen this time………
    "Thirteen people, including a police officer and the suspected gunman, have been killed during a mass shooting at a bar in Thousand Oaks, west of Los Angeles in California's Ventura County."

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/wor...08-p50ew6.html

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    T's & P's!

    Happiness is a warm gun! Bang, bang, shoot, shoot!!!
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    Any word on motive or motivation yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Any word on motive or motivation yet?
    None that I saw in the news.. I have some thoughts, but I am keeping those to myself for now.
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    California is arguably one of the strictest gun regulation states out there. What caused this, what allowed this, and what motivated this has my interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    California is arguably one of the strictest gun regulation states out there. What caused this, what allowed this, and what motivated this has my interest.
    Your notion of "strict gun regulation" would be quaint and cute if it weren't for the carnage it supports.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    California is arguably one of the strictest gun regulation states out there. What caused this, what allowed this, and what motivated this has my interest.
    Recent studies have proved that there are less gun deaths in states where the gun laws are stricter, Sleek.

    As to motivation, what does it really matter? He was having a bad day, so he excercised his 2nd Amemdment rights.

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    So tell me, does the gun lobby pay a price for this? Does any politician that supports the status quo on guns?

    How many politicians who support the gun lobby, and who are supported by the gun lobby, lost election two days ago?

    A majority of voters want changes to the gun laws, but they vote for people who do not because other issues are more important.

    How do you accomplish change so long as that is the case?

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    Don't worry too much about the killer or his victims, as Pocahontas once wrote, "God will sort it out."!
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    I think what Sleek may be saying is that California already has the kind of stricter gun laws most who call for new nationwide laws desire. There is no right to own a gun in Cailfiornia; Testing is required; All sales must be through a registered dealer;Assault weapons and automatic pistols may not be owned; " No Issue," of concealed carry permits for urban residents; etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    I think what Sleek may be saying is that California already has the kind of stricter gun laws most who call for new nationwide laws desire. There is no right to own a gun in Cailfiornia; Testing is required; All sales must be through a registered dealer;Assault weapons and automatic pistols may not be owned; " No Issue," of concealed carry permits for urban residents; etc

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    It seems that a semi-automatic pistol can be owned.

    He had a Glock .45 handgun...the gun was purchased in Ventura County
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...108-story.html

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    Maybe we should just give this thread title a permanent sticky.

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    It seems that a semi-automatic pistol can be owned.
    I'm no expert, Jimmy. Just going by Wikipedia's description of California gun laws. Maybe some people--police, security, etc are allowed?
    Perhaps the gun was stolen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Any word on motive or motivation yet?
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    GUNMAN

    Not brown, not part of a caravan, not an radical Islamic terrorist. Just another white american with a gun

    screen-shot-2018-11-08-at-10-39-53-am.jpg

    Ian David Long, a 28-year-old former United States Marine, has been identified as the suspect in the Borderline Bar & Grill mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, California, that left 13 people dead.
    According to authorities, Long — who reportedly drove his mother’s car to the scene — entered the Borderline Bar and Grill around 11:20 p.m. PST on Wednesday, November 7, and deployed a smoke bomb before he began open firing with a legally purchased .45 caliber handgun.
    Police say that the murder weapon, a legally purchased Glock 21 .45 caliber handgun, was bought by Long in 2016.
    At this time, while Long’s motive for the shooting remains unknown, it is understood that he suffered from PTSD.
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    Sheriff Dean said that at least six off-duty officers were inside when the gunman opened fire. A parent told Sheriff Dean that “they stood in front of my daughter” and protected her.
    Presumably, these off-duty cops still were carrying concealed; why didn't the 'good guys with a gun(s)' intervene?????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by ron ll View Post
    Maybe we should just give this thread title a permanent sticky.
    It does seem to recur quite a lot, doesn't it?

    Maybe we should also discuss the issue of PTSD and what 15 years of war does to a society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    It does seem to recur quite a lot, doesn't it?

    Maybe we should also discuss the issue of PTSD and what 15 years of war does to a society.
    That may prove productuve

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Presumably, these off-duty cops still were carrying concealed; why didn't the 'good guys with a gun(s)' intervene?????????

    Dont think California allows public citizen CCW....?
    Dont know if police follow different laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    GUNMAN

    Not brown, not part of a caravan, not an radical Islamic terrorist. Just another white american with a gun

    screen-shot-2018-11-08-at-10-39-53-am.jpg

    Ian David Long, a 28-year-old former United States Marine, has been identified as the suspect in the Borderline Bar & Grill mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, California, that left 13 people dead.
    According to authorities, Long — who reportedly drove his mother’s car to the scene — entered the Borderline Bar and Grill around 11:20 p.m. PST on Wednesday, November 7, and deployed a smoke bomb before he began open firing with a legally purchased .45 caliber handgun.
    Police say that the murder weapon, a legally purchased Glock 21 .45 caliber handgun, was bought by Long in 2016.
    At this time, while Long’s motive for the shooting remains unknown, it is understood that he suffered from PTSD.
    A marine can hardly be called just another guy with a gun. Why you chose to emphasize his whiteness, as if being white is a factor ( was it? ) i dont know.

    So this guy being a marine makes this shooting completely different than almost any I have heard of. None come to mind really. Possible ptsd also makes this not standard.

    I cant become an expert on ptsd to make concrete statements, but this seems rare to be a cause of a shooting. So rare to me, that I doubt it being the direct cause. Perhaps a secondary? For example, he needed help, felt he wasnt getting it, got pissed, felt he had been done wrong and to prove a point did this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Country music...
    Man, you may be on to something. Modern country is depressingly bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWSmith View Post
    It does seem to recur quite a lot, doesn't it?

    Maybe we should also discuss the issue of PTSD and what 15 years of war does to a society.
    For certain war desensitizes people. Makes doing horrible things easier by breaking down mental barriers. People eventually get comfortable doing what was once unthinkable. However, that cant be THE reason or all war vets would be doing these things. Perhaps he wouldnt have if he hadent learned the mind set to be capable, but that wasnt what pushed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    Man, you may be on to something. Modern country is depressingly bad.
    Then surely he would have shot the band, not the audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Presumably, these off-duty cops still were carrying concealed; why didn't the 'good guys with a gun(s)' intervene?????????
    Smoke bombs disorentate. Good guy was smart to not do anything or the body count would be bigger at his hands. A marine is a very effective weapon.

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    Deputies had several interactions with Mr. Long the last few years, the sheriff said, including a reported disturbance at his home in April that prompted mental health specialists to talk to him. The health specialists, who discussed with Mr. Long his military service and whether had suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, determined that he was not an immediate danger to himself or others and that he could not be involuntarily taken to a mental hospital.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/u...sand-oaks.html

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    Weren't people just advocating using veterans to guard schools against shooters, yet there are two vets that have done the shooting recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    Don't worry too much about the killer or his victims, as Pocahontas once wrote, "God will sort it out."!
    Come on, not every statement applies to every topic. Ypu knlw that. Wtf?

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    We either have to accept these events, or we need to have a serious discussion on guns.

    No discussion is serious if it fails to address guns already bought. Background checks are widely supported, but do we re-check every few years? If the gun owner fails the re-check, do we take his guns?

    And of course, do we still need the militia that is described in the constitution/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wilkinson View Post
    Weren't people just advocating using veterans to guard schools against shooters, yet there are two vets that have done the shooting recently.
    I dont believe he woulf have passed a background check for a guard job with run ins with law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron ll View Post
    Maybe we should just give this thread title a permanent sticky.
    Swiftian in its depth. I salute you.

    There was just under one mass shooting a day in 2017. You've 53 days and 39 to go to match that total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    We either have to accept these events, or we need to have a serious discussion on guns.
    Given part one of your sentence is immoral, inhumane and insane, part two is essential. And we know it won't happen.

    Insanity wins! Again and again and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    We either have to accept these events, or we need to have a serious discussion on guns.

    No discussion is serious if it fails to address guns already bought. Background checks are widely supported, but do we re-check every few years? If the gun owner fails the re-check, do we take his guns?

    And of course, do we still need the militia that is described in the constitution/
    I believe state guaed units fulfill the militia requirement

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