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    Sorry if this has already been posted here. But the accuracy of this cartoon is amazing!

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    yeah, why does the block-housing always seem so dystopian?
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    Hey, I've been there!

    What are you doing about it?




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    Fun map thanks.

    Sorry to be pedantic, but I did a paper on European rivers a few years back when I was studying maritime history, and there are several major cities which do not have a significant river flowing through. Neither Coventry nor Birmingham (second most populous city in the UK) have a noticeable river flowing through it.

    The River Sherbourne flows under Coventry and is hard to find unless you know where to look. The cathedral is modernist 20th century, but still a tourist trap because of the tapestry, sculpture and stained glass windows.

    Birmingham has three named water courses flowing through it: the River Cole, River Tame and River Rea, but at the point where they flow through Birmingham none of these rivers is large enough or deep enough to be navigable by any boat of a reasonable size (i.e. by nothing much larger than a canoe), but the city does have a lot of canals.

    Athens, Milan and Brussels are also riverless cities, but they definitely have the post-cardy old town and some of the other bits
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    Was Birmingham a noteworthy city before the canals/coal?
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    Really funny pic. It's missing the museum and opera zone, but otherwise spot on.

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    I’m assuming Pless’ steps are near the old bridge?

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    Probably near the new bridge, which would be built for cars. The old bridge would have been built for animals and people, so the approaches would be gradual. No steps needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Probably near the new bridge, which would be built for cars. The old bridge would have been built for animals and people, so the approaches would be gradual. No steps needed.
    Being born and mostly raised out here, animal and people sized roads are odd, to me. Not bad, just outside my experience. I find the idea charming, actually, and I’d love to live somewhere not built around cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Being born and mostly raised out here, animal and people sized roads are odd, to me. Not bad, just outside my experience. I find the idea charming, actually, and I’d love to live somewhere not built around cars.

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    Imo, the sizable North American places where I've been that retain at least some significant pre-car cityscapes are:
    Quebec City
    Savannah GA
    Charleston SC, kinda
    New Orleans

    and lots of European cities. My favorites non-car-centric euro cities are
    York, England
    Florence, Italy
    Venice, duh
    Salzburg, Austria
    Heiidelburg, Germany (I tried to drive in it. It's mostly car-proof)
    Paris, even for people who hate the Haussmann rebuild which was entirely pre-auto

    This could be a cool thread idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Imo, the sizable North American places where I've been that retain at least some significant pre-car cityscapes are:
    Quebec City
    Savannah GA
    Charleston SC, kinda
    New Orleans

    and lots of European cities. My favorites non-car-centric euro cities are
    York, England
    Florence, Italy
    Venice, duh
    Salzburg, Austria
    Heiidelburg, Germany (I tried to drive in it. It's mostly car-proof)
    Paris, even for people who hate the Haussmann rebuild which was entirely pre-auto

    This could be a cool thread idea
    Oh, my...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    Was Birmingham a noteworthy city before the canals/coal?
    It was an important market town in medieval times, and was at the heart of the 'Midlands Enlightenment'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlands_Enlightenment

    The city caught on to the industrial revolution quite early, and by 1791 it was being hailed as the first manufacturing town in the world.
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    "Proper" cities are located at the point on a big river where a bridge for pack horses could be built using medieval technology, (unless of course the Roman bridge was still standing) and a seagoing sailing merchant vessel could reach at high tide. Once you've got those, you're good...
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    Having just returned from Europe: yep.
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    What about this guy? " Traditional Busker Playing Traditional Instrument" ( Seen in Lake Como)



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    He's not IN Lake Como, thankfully!
    Looks a jolly guy; hope his music was good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Probably near the new bridge, which would be built for cars. The old bridge would have been built for animals and people, so the approaches would be gradual. No steps needed.
    While visiting Stratford-on-Avon in England last summer, I was amazed when a guide was talking about a long 500 year old stone bridge that now carries two lanes of busy car traffic.
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    Is there an equivalent cartoon for every North American city ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakaway View Post
    What about this guy? " Traditional Busker Playing Traditional Instrument" ( Seen in Lake Como)



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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Imo, the sizable North American places where I've been that retain at least some significant pre-car cityscapes are:
    Quebec City
    Savannah GA
    Charleston SC, kinda
    New Orleans

    and lots of European cities. My favorites non-car-centric euro cities are
    York, England
    Florence, Italy
    Venice, duh
    Salzburg, Austria
    Heiidelburg, Germany (I tried to drive in it. It's mostly car-proof)
    Paris, even for people who hate the Haussmann rebuild which was entirely pre-auto

    This could be a cool thread idea
    I could add St. Augustine to the list of USA cities. There's a lot of smaller pre-car places too that survived natural disasters or "urban renewal" of the 1960s and 1970s. One is the historic neighborhoods just east of downtown Huntsville, AL.
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    Works for Colchester, and Norwich, and Cambridge (clue in the name, there)...
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    If not Dundee.
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    Works almost perfectly for Shanghai, except that "Huangpu" has two syllables.
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    Hey, we have a Lake Como in St. Paul. It's rather pleasant, if small, but the last guy who tried to play an accordion next to it was killed and eaten by the joggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whameller View Post
    Is there an equivalent cartoon for every North American city ?
    Here's the picture. Don't need a map. The corporate outlets are sprinkled more or less at random, that's all there is, and they're all the same. If you have a favorite it's less than a mile in any direction.

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    That’s what many of the US interstate exits look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Here's the picture. Don't need a map. The corporate outlets are sprinkled more or less at random, that's all there is, and they're all the same. If you have a favorite it's less than a mile in any direction.

    More or less my experience in both Canada and the USA !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whameller View Post
    More or less my experience in both Canada and the USA !
    You'll note that it's right next to the freeway entrance/exit ramps. There's a more-or-less identical blob like that by every freeway exit all over the continent, where people with another 300 miles to cover before they sleep can pull off, refuel the car, refuel themselves, and get back on the road. Not pretty, but functional. Often there are much more interesting places another couple of miles off the freeway.
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    Original post: Yes, isn't it wonderful? The smart US cities are trying to get back to a model of diverse vocations, people living near work, quality and tasteful construction, a walkable downtown, historical preservation, easy access to public transportation, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    Was Birmingham a noteworthy city before the canals/coal?
    Cities traditionally developed where trade routes crossed, or a road crossed a river, or where a sheltered harbor existed. Birmingham seems to have suffered from the first condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    Hey, we have a Lake Como in St. Paul. It's rather pleasant, if small, but the last guy who tried to play an accordion next to it was killed and eaten by the joggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    Savages. Couldn't wait for the meat raffle?
    Shall we start up again on meat raffles?

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    Where's the ultra modern landmark museum/arts building built upside down out of glass and titanium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Imo, the sizable North American places where I've been that retain at least some significant pre-car cityscapes are:
    Quebec City
    Savannah GA
    Charleston SC, kinda
    New Orleans
    st paul is, underneath the grime and cars, a pre-car cityscape (my grandfathers quip about why the streets were screwed up was because they followed cow paths). it overlays history like grand citys do (but it is not a grand city). unlike the other citys you mention - ST paul was built by the railway, mostly. it's period of river domination was comparatively short. you can see 170 years of US history if you choose. minneapolis "redeveloped" itself in the 50s and 60s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Where's the ultra modern landmark museum/arts building built upside down out of glass and titanium?
    That would be in the 'New Town' area, except in Edinburgh where 'New Town' was built between 1760 and 1830

    You mean this kind of thing? This is the V&A Museum of Design in Dundee. Slot it in where it says 'Museum' on the OP map.

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