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    Default Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    Good evening,

    if there is any info/opinions out there on timbers commonly found in California that are suitable for boat building I am interested in hearing about it. Pros/cons for each would be nice too.

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    Adam

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    Adam, what do you mean by "timbers?" What sort of dimensions are you talking about? For what purpose?
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    Default Re: Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    specifically planking on a carvel hull.

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    As above, if you answer our questions we can answer yours. If the boat will be over 50' and circumnavigate I'd recommend Doug Fir. If 8' and used on the duckpond, Alaskan Yellow Cedar is the gold standard.

    If you update your profile info to include a specific location, we can even advise local resources for lumber.

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    Coastal California. It would be on the larger side 30-40 footer.

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    AYC is still the gold standard.
    Come n get it in Tacoma.
    Fred Tebbs .
    Mill Outlet a few weeks ago..
    Last edited by wizbang 13; 11-01-2018 at 12:03 PM.

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    Douglas fir is one of the only a few wood species that are suitable for any and every part of the boat, and it is plentiful on the west coast.

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    Any thoughts on Douglas fir used as keel timber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by astevens View Post
    Any thoughts on Douglas fir used as keel timber?
    Douglas fir is one of only a few wood species that are suitable for any and every part of the boat, and it is plentiful on the west coast.

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    just double checking thanks

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    Anything doug fir can do , AYC can do better.

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    What Wiz said...the fir's marginally stronger, but the strength/weight is pretty much comparable and the added rot/insect resistance wold give it a nod. I don't know about the relative cost/board foot. That could end up being the deciding factor, but if you're buying enough to build a 30-40 footer that might be negotiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Anything doug fir can do , AYC can do better.
    Where in California does that grow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Where in California does that grow?
    Oh c'mon. If one is going to build a 30/40 footer, a few days travel to load a trailer in Tacoma is completely reasonable.
    One might make a first trip with a friend and combine a pleasure trip ,(not tow a trailer),and take a look at Fred Tebbs and Mill Outlet, strike a deal, then see a few sights.
    Then return days or weeks later with a trailer and put a thousand or two feet of the good stuff aboard.
    And I dunno, but is any good old growth fir left in California being cut?
    Is Californian grown fir the same as fir grown 600 miles north?
    Anyway, The AYC in these places is from Canada.

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    Thanks for the info. Driving north is not a problem. For those who have bought/used it, do you have a ballpark $/bf difference between planking quality DF and AYC?

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    I've got a 77 YO 50' boat with a DF keel timber, AYC planking & AYC deck beams. Except below the waterline where the FO glassed the planks on the outside, all are in great shape.

    AYC & Port Orford Cedar are amazing woods. DF ain't too shabby neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astevens View Post
    Thanks for the info. Driving north is not a problem. For those who have bought/used it, do you have a ballpark $/bf difference between planking quality DF and AYC?
    For my new bottom planks (well - the boat's bottom planks ) - I went with POC, as it was $2.50/bd ft cheaper. This is from 4 years ago, so prices may have changed. I got my POC & DF from Bear Creek Lumber in Twisp WA. Joe Hammer was the salesman & knowledgeable about what's needed for planking.
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    Default Re: Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    Redwood. All heart clear tight vertical grain. Don't blame me for the sticker shock.
    Oregon white oak. Might be to heavy for planking.

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    Default Re: Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    I suggest you read the article by Bob Darr (IIRC) in the very first issue of Wooden Boat Magazine. (Which is what it was called before it was called WoodenBoat Magazine.) He gives a great overview of West Coast lumber. Some of the non-commercially logged species are exceptionally good, as well.

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    Default Re: Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    Bob,
    I would love to read that. How do I go about finding that article?
    thanks

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    Default Re: Suitable boat building timbers found in California

    If it is in the first issue here is a link to where you can order it. I love looking at the old ads in these issues as well as reading the articles.

    https://www.woodenboatstore.com/prod...IGITAL_Issue_1

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    Quote Originally Posted by astevens View Post
    Bob,
    I would love to read that. How do I go about finding that article?
    thanks
    Sorry, it wasn't issue number one. The article by Bob Daar was, Alternatives to the Lumberyard which is in issue number 35 at page 45. Still and oldie but goodie.

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    Perfect. thank you.

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