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    Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the world’s oldest intact shipwreck at the bottom of the Black Sea where it appears to have lain undisturbed for more than 2,400 years.

    The 23-metre (75ft) vessel, thought to be ancient Greek, was discovered with its mast, rudders and rowing benches all present and correct just over a mile below the surface. A lack of oxygen at that depth preserved it, the researchers said.

    “A ship surviving intact from the classical world, lying in over 2km of water, is something I would never have believed possible,” said Professor Jon Adams, the principal investigator with the Black Sea Maritime Archaeology Project (MAP), the team that made the find. “This will change our understanding of shipbuilding and seafaring in the ancient world.”

    The ship is believed to have been a trading vessel of a type that researchers say has only previously been seen “on the side of ancient Greek pottery such as the ‘Siren Vase’ in the British Museum”.

    That work, which dates from about the same period, depicts a similar vessel bearing Odysseus past the sirens, with the Homeric hero lashed to the mast to resist their songs.

    The team reportedly said they intended to leave the vessel where it was found, but added that a small piece had been carbon dated by the University of Southampton and claimed the results “confirmed [it] as the oldest intact shipwreck known to mankind”. The team said the data would be published at the Black Sea MAP conference at the Wellcome Collection in London later this week.

    It was among more than 60 shipwrecks found by the international team of maritime archaeologists, scientists and marine surveyors, which has been on a three-year mission to explore the depths of the Black Sea to gain a greater understanding of the impact of prehistoric sea-level changes.

    They said the finds varied in age from a “17th-century Cossack raiding fleet, through Roman trading vessels, complete with amphorae, to a complete ship from the classical period”.

    The documentary team made a two-hour film that is due to be shown at the British Museum on Tuesday.
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    Very interesting discovery. I'm struggling a bit try to determine which end of the boat is which. The image on the pot would make a person believe the structure is on the bow. Looking at the boat that doesn't make sense to me.

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    You can't actually see the bow, it's burried. What you see is the stern with the quarter rudders, the standing mast and some sort of superstructure/mast partner. So only about 2/3 of the boat. She lays on her port side, and I suspect also a bow down atitude.

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    Thanks! It'd be fun to find out what they were carrying. My wife's working on a paper on "The Spice Route" and is studying who was carrying what in the area. Finds like this are great primary source data.

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    How much to ship it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh MacD View Post
    Thanks! It'd be fun to find out what they were carrying. My wife's working on a paper on "The Spice Route" and is studying who was carrying what in the area. Finds like this are great primary source data.
    What time period is she looking at? She may find the "Hellenic Traders" books helpful; or, at least, entertaining.

    Hellenic Traders refers to a series of historical fiction books published by TOR and written by H.N. Turteltaub (a pseudonym of historian Harry Turtledove). The books center around cousins Menedemos and Sostratos who work as seaborne traders in the years following the death of Alexander the Great. The series is notable for a high degree of historical accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumars View Post
    You can't actually see the bow, it's burried. What you see is the stern with the quarter rudders, the standing mast and some sort of superstructure/mast partner. So only about 2/3 of the boat. She lays on her port side, and I suspect also a bow down atitude.
    Right, I can see the rudder now that you mentioned it. I hope we see more pictures as they clean the sand off of the ship.

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    Given that it has survived 2400 years by just sitting there in anoxic water, the best thing might be to just leave it. Use side scan sonar to get a good idea of the shape of what's left, maybe, but otherwise doen't touch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    How much to ship it???
    Man, you just GOTTA poke, don't'ch'a?






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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseO30 View Post
    How much to ship it???
    Now Denise, what question is that? She's clearly a sail-n-oar boat, and a cutter, and not designed by a big name. No schooner here, move along please.

    The best we can hope for is detailed telemetry data and some exploratory probes. No one will raise, disturb or otherwhise do anything to that boat. Let aside the technical (and financial) challange that she's under more than a mile of water (btw she was not discovered yesterday, not even this year actually) you have to think of the bigger picture. She's in international waters, greek, but probably from a city state that is currently in another country (there were colonies all around the Black Sea by that time). She's to small to have been in the grain trade (Crimeea was Athens main grain supplier) so she is either a military, fishing or cabotage vessel. Nobody is likley to want to open that can of worms especially with this days political climate. The days of just dig it up and carry it home are over.

    In the meantime one can take a look on how life must have been on such a vessel:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumars View Post
    Now Denise, what question is that? She's clearly a sail-n-oar boat, and a cutter, and not designed by a big name. No schooner here, move along please.

    The best we can hope for is detailed telemetry data and some exploratory probes. No one will raise, disturb or otherwhise do anything to that boat. Let aside the technical (and financial) challange that she's under more than a mile of water (btw she was not discovered yesterday, not even this year actually) you have to think of the bigger picture. She's in international waters, greek, but probably from a city state that is currently in another country (there were colonies all around the Black Sea by that time). She's to small to have been in the grain trade (Crimeea was Athens main grain supplier) so she is either a military, fishing or cabotage vessel. Nobody is likley to want to open that can of worms especially with this days political climate. The days of just dig it up and carry it home are over.

    In the meantime one can take a look on how life must have been on such a vessel:
    Good video, thanks.

    Hope the voyage is a long one.
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    you come into harbors seen for the first time...

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    Default Re: World's oldest intact shipwreck discovered in Black Sea

    I noticed the pictures and video online.
    They said it was at about 2KM down.
    So I understand the robot subs, but there looks like there are 2 scuba divers.
    Everything I know says that is pure BS.

    Is there a break-thru that allows a diver at that depth?

    Please give details if so, cause I'll have a hard time believing it.

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    Default Re: World's oldest intact shipwreck discovered in Black Sea

    The media just souped up their video's with shots from another wreck.

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