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    Rich Jones and I both used side steering on our recent builds. Here is a pic of mine.
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    Oldad, could you tell me more about your boat / motor please........inboard??...

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dogsnight View Post
    Oldad, could you tell me more about your boat / motor please........inboard??...

    thanks

    Wojo
    I used an 80lb.thrust Minnkota trolling motor, seriously modified (Rich did something similar).
    The hull is an 1910 power dory, originally gas one lunger, long gone.
    There is a thread, 1910 power dory, I think if you want to see more about the boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldad View Post
    Rich Jones and I both used side steering on our recent builds. Here is a pic of mine.
    P1010005.jpg
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    Default Re: Glen L15 - refueled

    Apologies to all for the thread drift, let's get back to to the GlenL 15...

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    thank you for the drift Oldad. Taking me a lot of research and co$tly mi$takes to get the right components for my project - so pictures and opinions are very welcomed!
    ........got the Johnson control box off ebay, advertised as a right part for my motor - it is and it isn't - it turned out to be for 1979 Johnson not 1977 - I can still use it but needed to get cables for 1979 model, and so on......
    Anyway, off to work I go.....

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    Just found out that this varnish takes weeks to dry.......maybe if it's applied with a sprayer ( thin layer) dries faster......
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    That does not sound right at all. Should dry in a day or less. How did you prep for the varnish?

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    Polyureathane pulls moisture from wood and/or air to cure. If the wood is sealed (epoxy in your case) then it all has to come from the air. If the RH is low (I live in Albuquerque, so almost always <20% outdoors, and can be <5% indoors in winter) then it can be a long wait. Once it gets fairly firm (day or 2) you can mist on some water from a trigger sprayer to help things along.


    There is also a chance that something is leaching out of the epoxy and slowing the cure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevbo View Post
    Polyureathane pulls moisture from wood and/or air to cure. If the wood is sealed (epoxy in your case) then it all has to come from the air. If the RH is low (I live in Albuquerque, so almost always <20% outdoors, and can be <5% indoors in winter) then it can be a long wait. Once it gets fairly firm (day or 2) you can mist on some water from a trigger sprayer to help things along.


    There is also a chance that something is leaching out of the epoxy and slowing the cure.
    Polyurethane dries just fine, I can put another coat within few hours..................the SPAR urethane is the one that does not want to dry - explanation by Kevbo sounds right to me.
    In the picture the two containers on the left are working great, the spar urethane sucks, the right top has not been tried yet....it's for "internal" applications though
    As far as surface preparation - unpainted ply soaked the spar , the epoxied surface is the one that spar was /is wet/tacky for weeks.

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    If you're varnishing over epoxy you need to use something with uv inhibitors. I could be wrong, but I don't believe those other polyurethanes have any uv protection. Epoxy will deteriorate from the uv in sunlight without some form of uv protection. Doug

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwr9 View Post
    If you're varnishing over epoxy you need to use something with uv inhibitors. I could be wrong, but I don't believe those other polyurethanes have any uv protection. Epoxy will deteriorate from the uv in sunlight without some form of uv protection. Doug
    Agreed, and spar urethane is for an exterior applications. I just varnished a piece of plywood and oak and both soaked the varnish in and next day the surfaces were dried. Is the second coat that is not wanting to dry. I think I need to use a good brush and stop using foam brushes for that.

    Have another totally different question: want to place the boat name on the transom and because it will carry the outboard I need to place it on one or the other side of the transom. Question: is there a rule what side of transom the name need to be placed on ???

    Painted a stripe to cover stuff up .....

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    working on seats today, just HD plywood.....prototype for this summer. Looking for dense foam by SO-PAC...blue.

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    Seats done. Had some thin foam that will have to do. 'Rope /pulley steering system next.

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    New "powerplant" is working, she's got 2 coats of cheap varnish......"Fela" is ready for the summer. She will be dancing on the buey by July 4th .................

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    Nice! She looks great Wojo.
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    Very nice. She's a looker.
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    thank you guys
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    Well, today was the day. After agonising about every little detail we finally have the boat in the water. Which is always an ordeal as the boat sits pretty high on the trailer.

    Fela 16.jpg

    Motor started and soon I was on my way to my newly installed buey.
    about half way to it I started filling secure enough to try cranked up the motor a little. I think I took it to the max throttle, but boat would not go on the plane.....instead I noticed water coming to the boat. Scary! Turned out that water was coming trough the keel box - the bow was too high up..... need to move the seats forward

    Fela 18.jpg

    Overall I am pretty happy with the set up, need to do some tweaking here and there.
    Here she is, dancing on the buey !!!

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    Moved the seats about a foot forward and with two people on board the boat is pretty much balanced for motoring.
    We went out for a little bit yesterday and everything went well. The max speed was about 15 mph and very comfortable cruising speed was 7 mph. Seats will be redone in marine plywood and some adjustment need to be made to make it more comfortable - change the back rest angle, higher arm rests, softer cushions.
    So I would proclaim the refueling of Glen L15 completed at this point.

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    My friend, no boat is ever complete.
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    very true Ben
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    Glad you like it.

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    So cool that it all worked out well for you.
    The side by side seating is comfy. It sure looks like you two are enjoying it.
    Be safe and have fun.

    What's been going on with your Fontana?

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    Well, very soon I will have to make a decision what boat to keep. We need a place to park an RV we just bough. Glen L is easy to work on, get to water, on and off trailer and easy motor to work on and maintain - or get a new one. Fontana is little bigger....but maybe more comfortable. Question is how reliable Atomic will be.....and then eventually I would like to get a sculling boat.....there is one for sale - fiberglas, sliding seat etc $200-
    Anyway, regarding Fontana - a friend is coming over this weekend and we are going to launch Fontana and motor her around. Never had her under power in the water, so it will be a very exciting event. So soon there will be some pictures and video in Fontana tread.
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    I'm looking forward to hearing about it.

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    Glen-L and Fontana in the water in the same week? Fantastic! Can't wait.
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    They did make the Atomic 4 into the 80s so parts shouldn't be a problem for a few years yet, and you seem to be able to find them in twos and threes cheaply if you want to stockpile. They are very lightly stressed due to being low compression and probably designed to run on 70 Octane gas. However that means they have a thirst out of proportion to their modest power output.
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    Well, leaving aside the boat size question: inboard vs outboard? Outboards in salt water are sometimes an evil which must be endured, aluminum,seawater cooled, submerged gearcase, and on and on. An inboard, even a gas one like an Atomic 4, will be far more reliable over the long term, and provide a longer service life. Ive endured 40 years of outboard requirement for my commuter boats, but the inboard installs that have earned my paychecks are far and away less work and worry for the mile.
    Now, to boat size...if you have a mooring, and it could handle the bigger boat (even if it needs bigger tackle at the bottom), the bigger boat with inboard will be more comfortable, need less fussing and maintenance, and maybe (even given the above-noted thirst of those old flatheads) be cheaper to run.
    I think you just have to choose what boat and style you prefer, they both could make sense depending on details and preferences.
    Applause for both projects, you really cant make a wrong choice here!
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    Thank you for your opinions on the matter which boat to keep. Suddenly I feel much better about Fontana "Little Bear". Mentioned Atomics thirst for gas reminded me that originally there were two gas tanks for total of 20 gal ( my guess) on "Little Bear" . Now I am really looking forward to weekend.
    Speaking of buey.......we own the tidal land, so according to the state we can have a buey on land that can be accessed during low tide. This buey was anchored during close to -3' tide. Works for "Fela" because she is flat bottomed...."Little Bear" would need to have a buey on 2 to 3' of water.......and that's where we are getting into permits and yearly fees. I have hear that yearly fee is $300- permits cost I'm sure is very different story.
    Anyway, this year I'm all set.....next year we shall see

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    I need a heavy duty, custom made boat cover.......wet summer so far
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    while on the buey two paint related issues happened:
    - looks like the second coat of varnish not "sticking" to the first

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    hull paint is just disintegrating from sitting in the ocean water. Yes, it's an old paint but coming off like that ? Never seen anything like it.

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    Fela 21.jpg

    quick hull paint job
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    She's a little looker. I like that nice little up curve in her bow.
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    thank you Ben

    few days ago was the end of the boating season for Fela. Next two weeks we have 40% of rain in forecast, so I decided to take her out of the water. Started getting late that night, but I thought I had enough time. When started the motor I noticed dark clouds on the horizon, and then lightning and thunder as well...... It was a fantastic ride, running away from storm approaching.....we made to the boat launch OK. What an end to the season

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    " Fela " 1985 Glen L15 - 1977 Johnson 15 hp
    2016 kayak Mill Creek 13

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