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    Default Family camp daysailer under 1500lbs?

    All, I'm looking for a trailerable daysailer that can fit two adults and two teens for short trips; say, a sail out to an island and a sail back the next day. My requirements, in order of priority from greatest to least

    * Trailerable (Boat + trailer + any ballast is under 1500lbs).
    * Fits two adults and two large kids
    * Fits minimal camping equipment (basically, just what I'd put in a kayak for multiday trip for one)

    Dry, if possible. Sailing it mostly in Boston, and occasionally trailering it to Maine for island-hopping camping trips)

    I have long loved the Melonseed, but i'm concerned that the 16' version may still be too small for my crew. Maybe if I could scale it up to add a few inches of freeboard and two or three feet of length it would be perfect? Or can someone recommend a better design? Most of what Google finds for me in the 18' range is ballasted, and well over my trailerable weight.

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    B&B Yacht Design's Core Sound 17 or 20 (plans or kits, including sitting head-room cabin options), Chesapeake Light Craft's Pocket Ship (sitting headroom cabin) (I think under 1500 pounds...). If no need for a cabin, then a Caledonia yawl? I prefer tris and tacking outriggers, myself, and the SeaClipper 20 (folds to 8 foot trailering width easily) sounds excellent for this need. -- Wade

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    http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlanders.htm

    The eighteen footer seems to fit the bill.
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    Caledonia yawl?

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    Thanks for the great suggestions so far!

    I have two mentions of the Caledonia Yawl. I should mention that I've been through the WB plans catalog many many times. I've seen the yawl, but I find it less than pleasing, aesthetically. I suppose I'm shallow (pun totally intended) in that I'd rather have a boat that's as pleasing in the driveway as it is in the water.

    I like the lines of the Highlander (http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlanders.htm), though I'll have to think about whether it's really much bigger than a Melonseed?

    The CS 20 (http://bandbyachtdesigns.com/20-2/) seems to do exactly what I want, and it doesn't look terrible (the cat ketch rig is a taste I could acquire).

    If I had my perfect boat, it would be a scaled up Melonseed or scaled down Sakonnet 23 (https://www.marshallcat.com/sakonnet-23-gallery/), weighing in at around 1000lb dry.

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    Aesthetics is always interesting, for instance I'd much rather have a CY in the yard every time I came home than the CS. But that's just me.

    From what you have described I suggest sticking with open boats, cabins and foredecks take up a lot of otherwise usable crew space. Sleeping 2 in a small boat is one thing, 4 full-sized humans could be trickier.


    Something like an Ebihen 16 maybe?
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    I’ll suggest the Somes Sound only because I have one and was first mad about the Melonseed. It’s not ideal as a camp cruiser but it is a great day sailer. Safe and stable. 1400 pounds includes a 600 pound ballast keel. (Brooks boat building) Two can rig and launch in about 45 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmjns View Post
    Thanks for the great suggestions so far!

    I have two mentions of the Caledonia Yawl. I should mention that I've been through the WB plans catalog many many times. I've seen the yawl, but I find it less than pleasing, aesthetically. I suppose I'm shallow (pun totally intended) in that I'd rather have a boat that's as pleasing in the driveway as it is in the water.

    I like the lines of the Highlander (http://www.selway-fisher.com/Highlanders.htm), though I'll have to think about whether it's really much bigger than a Melonseed?

    The CS 20 (http://bandbyachtdesigns.com/20-2/) seems to do exactly what I want, and it doesn't look terrible (the cat ketch rig is a taste I could acquire).

    If I had my perfect boat, it would be a scaled up Melonseed or scaled down Sakonnet 23 (https://www.marshallcat.com/sakonnet-23-gallery/), weighing in at around 1000lb dry.
    Ah, so you have a taste for transoms!

    You might go through American Small Sailing Craft and find what you want. That's where the melonseed design was popularized.

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    It always comes back to Chapelle, doesn't it! Thanks a ton!

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    If sleeping all four on board is not a requirement, then you might take a look at Mikesboat by Jim Michalak. 17' x 5' 6" (inside plank). 138 sq ft lug yawl (113+25). Empty weight is about 450 lbs (I would guess a little more). Sleeps two or three (friendly). Big, full hull for its size with external captive leeboard. Fairly quick build. Huge buoyancy/storage compartments. Good record on the Texas 200. I have a bunch of Michalak plans and feel that this is his best. Takes 9 sheets of 3/8" and 3 of 1/2" (no 1/4"!).

    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/jm-mikesboat.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian W. View Post
    If sleeping all four on board is not a requirement, then you might take a look at Mikesboat by Jim Michalak. 17' x 5' 6" (inside plank). 138 sq ft lug yawl (113+25). Empty weight is about 450 lbs (I would guess a little more). Sleeps two or three (friendly). Big, full hull for its size with external captive leeboard. Fairly quick build. Huge buoyancy/storage compartments. Good record on the Texas 200. I have a bunch of Michalak plans and feel that this is his best. Takes 9 sheets of 3/8" and 3 of 1/2" (no 1/4"!).

    http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/jm-mikesboat.htm
    I do like that Ebihen 16. It feels like a good day's work rather than an elegant night out in a gown; a different kind of beautiful.

    The Somes Sound looks nice, too. However it might be on the heavy side of what I want.

    For that matter, if I were willing to consider the CS 17 then the Glen-l 14 or 15, which is a nicer looking shape to my eye.

    I should clarify from my original post: I plan to get out of the boat to camp on shore. So I'm not looking to sleep four on the boat, and I'm not looking for a cabin. I just want to get that many people to the place where we will sleep, and I might even prefer to do that in an open boat.

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    Tad Roberts 20ft Ratty.

    Designed for a family of 4. Rig fits in the boat when trailering. Dry weight is well inside what your looking for (300kg). That rig will still be easy to manage solo when they aren't there. Good lockerage. Inbuilt buoyancy. Good outboard postioned inboard. It's a solid alongshore open boat for an adventurous family. I think with some infills you'd be able to sprawl 4 out under tent between her spars.





    http://www.tadroberts.ca/services/sm...-and-oar/ratty
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    There is Vivier's Jewell...
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    Default Re: Family camp daysailer under 1500lbs?

    Or the new stretched Calendar Islands Yawl.

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    How about a Mackinaw boat? I used to lead sailing trips for a summer camp in Maine in a traditionally built, carvel planked, gaff rigged 29' version built from Chapelle's lines. She was named "Guillemot", and was monstrously seaworthy. We would take groups of teenagers out island camping and sleeping on board for 3 1/2 weeks at a time. She could sleep seven teenagers and adults on board under tarps. Here's the Guillemot in the summer of 2000:

    Guillemot sailing to Anchor.jpg

    Guillemot.jpg

    That boat was obviously heavily built for institutional use, but the basic design would work scaled down as well.

    These guys have created a kit and plans for a lapstrake, lug rigged 23 footer that they say weighs 350 LBS.
    http://heritage-23.org/design.htm



    Jeff
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    Default Re: Family camp daysailer under 1500lbs?

    I was thinking the Mackinaw boat also. The forum sponsor sells the plans for a version with gaff rig. Either rig would be great. I have always loved these boats.

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    Vanguard Nomad was Bob Ames and my attempt to answer your dreams.
    The boat is fiberglass and modern, but was our vision of the boat you would want to do what you describe.
    Bob and I were happy with the result, and many customers thought the boats were very good.
    Vanguard is no longer with us, but thee are Nomads for sale on Craig's List and eBay.
    I think we built over 200 of them before the the Business Genius ceased production and then murdered Vanguard.
    A Nomad has completed two Everglades Challenges, which is a fair indication of the boat's capabilities.
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    I have sailed with plenty of Core Sound 17 and 20 sailors on my Sea Pearl. They are fast and sea-worthy and check all your boxes. Plus there have been quite a few built so you may be able to find one ready to go. I'm glad I did the Maine Island trail with my Sea Pearl, because two of my troupe of three area already in college. I'm currently building a Core Sound 20 Mark III with a cabin. And like most guys my year long project is currently at 3.
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