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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post

    You're discovering that the bunch here doesn't like being told they're wrong about anything nor do they accept thoughtful criticism, no matter how fairly or patiently argued.
    This. Glad not to be involved in this thread. Time to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Welcome to the club.

    You're discovering that the bunch here doesn't like being told they're wrong about anything nor do they accept thoughtful criticism, no matter how fairly or patiently argued.

    I suggest approaching it with no expectations of any kind, and just have fun with it.
    You do recognise yourself in your second sentence ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    You do recognise yourself in your second sentence ?
    Peter, this thread is not about me. It seems to be about, currently, how the Democrats here are unable to have a meaningful discussion.

    I'm merely suggesting that this ought not come as a surprise to anyone.

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    To paraphrase Paul Pless, 'Progressives are entitled morons.'

    MORONS!

    Oblivious-to-political-reality, willing-to-send-the-US-into-political-chaos-because-waaaaah!, willing-to-suffer-decades-if-not-centuries-of-brutal-totalitarian-dictatorship-because-their-precious-feewings-are-not-being-signed-into-law-anti-democratic-entitled lumps of animated feces, MORONS.


    The 'Republican' Party are criminals, you pathetic morons.

    If you elect Democrats, you have a slim chance.

    If you elect 'Republicans', you will be slaughtered.

    It really is Just. That. Simple.
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    Another message of unity.

    Prior to this thread, I thought there was a chance the Democrats could get their act together. The snails have fallen from my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Another message of unity.

    Prior to this thread, I thought there was a chance the Democrats could get their act together. The snails have fallen from my eyes.
    The orcs understand unity.

    the 'liberal', 'progressive' MORONS do NOT.

    Therefore, the orcs win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    Is that two separate 12%'s?
    I have no idea what you mean here. No, obviously it's not two separate 12%s. Read my post again. I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osborne Russell View Post
    D's that voted for Trump are not D's. They can F right off.
    Now THERE'S a "big tent" philosophy. You do realize that the party needs their votes to win, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    The orcs understand unity.

    the 'liberal', 'progressive' MORONS do NOT.

    Therefore, the orcs win.
    So your solution is to become an orc. Sorry, not interested. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Here.

    Get a clue.
    Posting a cartoon about people who didn't vote for Clinton and trying to use it as ammo against someone who DID is pure idiocy.

    Oz, go take a break. Calm down. Realize that we're potential allies and stop trying to beat me into submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Pure pragmatism is holding your nose and voting for whoever ends up being the candidate.
    Oz, you are talking about the general election. I'm talking about the primary. Dem voters would be wise to choose a candidate in the primary who will appeal to the voters they failed to get last time. That's pragmatism.

    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    What you are advocating for is for the 12% to be kowtowed to like a bunch of tantrum-pitching three-year-olds.
    Translation: Do whatever it takes to get a Democrat elected. But don't ask ME to do whatever it takes. I'd rather pitch a tantrum about the people who pitched a tantrum last time, even if it gets Trump re-elected.

    You really do need to calm down and stop insulting and whining about the very people you need to get the result you say you want in 2020. You're so blinded by over-emotional reaction that you can't even see we're allies. Or should be.

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    John -

    I said I was done here & I am - but a parting comment. I do not understand where this thread has gone (I'm an orc because I lean progressive?) - but there's enough nastiness so that I've chosen not to participate anymore. For the record, I never thought Clinton was a terrible candidate (& apologies if my agreement with Mike on some things gave you you impression I felt that way). I did think she ran a pretty lame campaign - but felt she was otherwise very competent.

    I have zero issue with Clinton supporters being in the party (remember - I'm the one who used the term "big tent") - but I do have an issue when they say that Clinton lost because of Bernie.

    The important thing is that we all vote next month & hopefully vote against anyone in the Republican party. I have "voted the person" in the past, but anyone still a member of the party of Trump needs to lose this time around.
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    We would be in a very different place if the supreme court had not chosen Bush Vs Gore. At some point the popular vote should matter.
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    Some here appear to be purposely obtuse. I wish you’d stop. Antagonizing your allies is dumb, and exactly what rick and kablooie desire. Bottom line, if you want to win- support your favored candidate in the primary- get as much of your issues in the platform- but for gosh sakes!- vote Democrat in the general! And vote! Don’t assume it’s in the bag, or do a protest vote! We should have had two more honest SC justices. National Health Care. Reduced MIC spending. Better education. Stronger environmental protection. On and on. That’s what we flushed down the crapper this last time around. We don’t have the luxury of a repeat performance.
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    Well said Doc
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    Thinking about how we screwed up, what we lost- it’s damned depressing. How is it the Republicans are able to get their folks so organized, so single minded, to coalesce behind a candidate most deplored? Is greed and nastiness really that much a better motivator, than doing the right thing?
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    Simple minds are easier to manipulate
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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Oz, you are talking about the general election. I'm talking about the primary. Dem voters would be wise to choose a candidate in the primary who will appeal to the voters they failed to get last time. That's pragmatism.
    I voted for Bernie in the primary.

    He lost.

    Get over it.


    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    Translation: Do whatever it takes to get a Democrat elected.
    No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking of 'Republicans'.[/QUOTE]




    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    But don't ask ME to do whatever it takes. I'd rather pitch a tantrum about the people who pitched a tantrum last time, even if it gets Trump re-elected.
    I'm not willing to cheat, like 'Republicans', and I'm not pitching a tantrum, like Berniacs, either.

    It IS interesting that you now acknowledge that the people who failed to get behind Hillary were pitching a tantrum. That's progress.

    Donald F Trump has the approval of ~28% of eligible voters.

    If the other 62% fail to show up and vote, then the orcs win.


    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    You really do need to calm down and stop insulting and whining about the very people you need to get the result you say you want in 2020. You're so blinded by over-emotional reaction that you can't even see we're allies. Or should be.

    Tom
    I still don't think you understand 'whining'.

    Neither do you get the message those morons need to hear.

    The progressive agenda has been losing power and losing its way since Nixon screwed the pooch.

    That's 45 years.


    Repairing that neglect will not happen by electing Bernie.

    It is going to take a LOT of work, and the fact of the matter is that we are out of time.

    The progressive Morons pitched their tantrum, and got the tantrum-pitcher-in-chief elected, and now they want to pitch another tantrum saying it's all the fault of the DNC for not serving up Colin Fox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    I think he meant that the GOP are orcs. If progressives speak with their feet, then the orcs win.
    Yup, so back to square one. "The Progressives should simply suck it up, the moderates know better, Clinton was the best choice for the party and you're stupid for not seeing it." That attitude will lose the next election.

    Let me dispel a few things. I did vote for Clinton in the general election and I would do it again and again. . . . But I'm not representative of most/many progressives. The DNC has been Republican-lite for a very long time, the people are suffering for it and under Clinton that would not have changed. The simple fact that all you folks can't see is that she was an installation and not a selection. I resent that as do many. I do not want to expel Clinton supporters from the DNC, however, the DNC needs to become more progressive, a lot more. In a more progressive Democratic Party, Clinton wouldn't even be on the bench. Other than the insane rhetoric on the right and Trump, there is little action that separates both parties, the only difference is who they pander to. Trump represented a giant wrench in the works and many thought it was bad enought to take the risk of tearing it all down for possible reform, for a government for the people.

    Do I still think Trump supporters have sub-par intelligence; yes. But their intent, no matter how ill-informed, was to stop what they saw as the madness of the swamp. The swamp is real, it's certainly thicker these days, but it was always a reality. It is time to drain it. We must try to find a way. Clinton was the swamp, Trump is the swamp, just slightly worse and possibly perceived as much worse because he's so unapologetic about it and his supporters are so very stupid and apt to fear mongering. Kinda like Clinton supporters who thought she was somehow more righteous . . . she wasn't by a long shot, even after you stripped away all the lies the GOP threw at her.

    You can disagree, you'd be wrong, but calling me ham-fisted, over-emotional, and whatever other condescending crap you've said about me won't change the fact that she was the wrong candidate, she was not good for this country, and she was only a better choice because Trump was that bad.

    Remember, this thread has been going on for a week, the only thing that opened up the conversation was the perception that I was dividing the party, you guys were all called to arms because there was a spoiler among you. LOL, here's the fact; Bernie supporters were never Democrats, they were never obligated to toe the line, the DNC, however, was obligated to include them or lose, they lost. That's not a problem of Bernie supporters, it's a problem that belongs to the DNC. Clearly the DNC sucks, because they lost, she lost and we all lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Jung View Post
    Thinking about how we screwed up, what we lost- it’s damned depressing. How is it the Republicans are able to get their folks so organized, so single minded, to coalesce behind a candidate most deplored? Is greed and nastiness really that much a better motivator, than doing the right thing?
    We lost the republic.

    It's all but over.

    The Moron Horde are in full cry.

    The 'Republican' Party are now quite brazenly disenfranchising their opposition all over the US, without compunction and completely without any concern for any repercussions.

    The 'Republican' Party is now openly refusing their Constitutionally-mandated duty to hear the SCOTUS nomination from an opposition President.

    The 'Great Experiment' is OVER, but for the shouting.


    And we have so-called 'progressives' who have become so completely fat, dumb and happy; so insulated and complacent and entitled to 'Freedom' and 'Justice' that they still think they can whine and stamp their little feet and have somebody else 'fix it' and go on with their fat, dumb, happy little fantasy that Totalitarianism is dead.

    It will not be long before these orcs have passed legislation to criminalize dissent.

    That legislation will include provisions for the suspension of habeas corpus, and summary execution.


    The Progressive movement, started with such glorious celebration in 1776, is OVER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    The orcs understand unity.

    the 'liberal', 'progressive' MORONS do NOT.

    Therefore, the orcs win.
    No better than Trump and the GOP. You'll lose because of it, we'll all lose.
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    I have no idea what you mean here. No, obviously it's not two separate 12%s. Read my post again. I think it's pretty clear what I'm saying.



    Now THERE'S a "big tent" philosophy. You do realize that the party needs their votes to win, right?

    Tom
    No, it seems he/they don't. Just as stupid as Trump supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    We lost the republic.

    It's all but over.

    The Moron Horde are in full cry.

    The 'Republican' Party are now quite brazenly disenfranchising their opposition all over the US, without compunction and completely without any concern for any repercussions.

    The 'Republican' Party is now openly to refuse their Constitutionally-mandated duty to hear the SCOTUS nomination from an opposition President.

    The 'Great Experiment' is OVER, but for the shouting.


    And we have so-called 'progressives' who have become so completely fat, dumb and happy; so insulated and complacent and entitled to 'Freedom' and 'Justice' that they still think they can whine and stamp their little feet and have somebody else 'fix it' and go on with their fat, dumb, happy little fantasy that Totalitarianism is dead.

    It will not be long before these orcs have passed legislation to criminalize dissent.

    That legislation will include provisions for the suspension of habeas corpus, and summary execution.


    The Progressive movement, started with such glorious celebration in 1776, is OVER.
    For all your bluster, I wonder; WTF are you doing about it besides b17c4ing about here like a little baby.
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Yup, so back to square one. "The Progressives should simply suck it up, the moderates know better, Clinton was the best choice for the party and you're stupid for not seeing it." That attitude will lose the next election.

    Let me dispel a few things. I did vote for Clinton in the general election and I would do it again and again. . . . But I'm not representative of most/many progressives. The DNC has been Republican-lite for a very long time, the people are suffering for it and under Clinton that would not have changed. The simple fact that all you folks can't see is that she was an installation and not a selection. I resent that as do many. I do not want to expel Clinton supporters from the DNC, however, the DNC needs to become more progressive, a lot more. In a more progressive Democratic Party, Clinton wouldn't even be on the bench. Other than the insane rhetoric on the right and Trump, there is little action that separates both parties, the only difference is who they pander to. Trump represented a giant wrench in the works and many thought it was bad enought to take the risk of tearing it all down for possible reform, for a government for the people.

    Do I still think Trump supporters have sub-par intelligence; yes. But their intent, no matter how ill-informed, was to stop what they saw as the madness of the swamp. The swamp is real, it's certainly thicker these days, but it was always a reality. It is time to drain it. We must try to find a way. Clinton was the swamp, Trump is the swamp, just slightly worse and possibly perceived as much worse because he's so unapologetic about it and his supporters are so very stupid and apt to fear mongering. Kinda like Clinton supporters who thought she was somehow more righteous . . . she wasn't by a long shot, even after you stripped away all the lies the GOP threw at her.

    You can disagree, you'd be wrong, but calling me ham-fisted, over-emotional, and whatever other condescending crap you've said about me won't change the fact that she was the wrong candidate, she was not good for this country, and she was only a better choice because Trump was that bad.

    Remember, this thread has been going on for a week, the only thing that opened up the conversation was the perception that I was dividing the party, you guys were all called to arms because there was a spoiler among you. LOL, here's the fact; Bernie supporters were never Democrats, they were never obligated to toe the line, the DNC, however, was obligated to include them or lose, they lost. That's not a problem of Bernie supporters, it's a problem that belongs to the DNC. Clearly the DNC sucks, because they lost, she lost and we all lost.
    Wake up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Wake up.
    LOL, look in the mirror lad.
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    Originally Posted by oznabrag
    The orcs understand unity.

    the 'liberal', 'progressive' MORONS do NOT.

    Therefore, the orcs win.


    No better than Trump and the GOP. You'll lose because of it, we'll all lose.
    Orc='Republican'.

    The orcs understand the power of unity. They have used that power to subjugate 2/3 of the electorate.

    The US is now well on its way to becoming a third-world totalitarian dictatorship.

    Wake up.


    If the 'Progressive' Morons were not lazy, entitled, spoiled-rotten children, they would have understood that the US Constitution itself was at stake.

    They did not.

    Hillary Clinton could have been be held to account. Donald F Trump can not.


    Wake up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Orc='Republican'.

    The orcs understand the power of unity. They have used that power to subjugate 2/3 of the electorate.

    The US is now well on its way to becoming a third-world totalitarian dictatorship.

    Wake up.


    If the 'Progressive' Morons were not lazy, entitled, spoiled-rotten children, they would have understood that the US Constitution itself was at stake.

    They did not.

    Hillary Clinton could have been be held to account. Donald F Trump can not.


    Wake up.
    Your girl lost, you wake TF up.
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    No, it seems he/they don't. Just as stupid as Trump supporters.
    You mean just as stupid as the Berniacs, right?

    Get it through your head: The Republic is DEAD, murdered by 'Republicans'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    You mean just as stupid as the Berniacs, right?

    Ge it through your head: The Republic is DEAD, murdered by 'Republicans'.
    Then we've nothing to argue about, go cry somewhere else and let the adults up the mess you put us in.
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Your girl lost, you wake TF up.
    No.

    1) Your BOY lost.

    2) Then, because the Berniacs wanted to pitch a tantrum, they made sure to kill the Republic.

    Congratulations.

    If history is any guide, there will never be a 'progressive' US Government again.

    Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    Then we've nothing to argue about, go cry somewhere else and let the adults up the mess you put us in.
    You are claiming to be 'one of the adults'?

    I think I'm gonna be sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    You are claiming to be 'one of the adults'?

    I think I'm gonna be sick.
    yeah, me too, pretty sad that I come out more mature and level headed than you. Me . . .
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    You two are a lot of fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    yeah, me too, pretty sad that I come out more mature and level headed than you. Me . . .
    Mature, level-headed, and living in a bubble, where this world is the same as 1968.

    The 'Republican' Party has been working on this coup ever since Nixon crapped the bed.

    It's not going to be 'fixed' by the likes of Bernie.

    The only way forward was to elect Hillary, and then hold her feet to the fire.

    I guess that was too much work.

    The 'Republicans' have been working to undermine the republic for 50 freaking years.

    Their evil can not be undone solely by electing a President.



    You can crow from the rooftops that it is all the fault of the DNC, of Hillary, of who or what ever you'd like, but you're still wrong.

    Donald F Trump is the fault of everyday Americans, who took their liberal government for granted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Mature, level-headed, and living in a bubble, where this world is the same as 1968.

    The 'Republican' Party has been working on this coup ever since Nixon crapped the bed.

    It's not going to be 'fixed' by the likes of Bernie.

    The only way forward was to elect Hillary, and then hold her feet to the fire.

    I guess that was too much work.

    The 'Republicans' have been working to undermine the republic for 50 freaking years.

    Their evil can not be undone solely by electing a President.



    You can crow from the rooftops that it is all the fault of the DNC, of Hillary, of who or what ever you'd like, but you're still wrong.

    Donald F Trump is the fault of everyday Americans, who took their liberal government for granted.
    Like you did with Obama?
    In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

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    Like you did with Obama?
    Go ahead.

    Blame it all on O'Bama.
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