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    You don't speak for all women, Duncan. Nite, now
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    What the hell makes you think Collins does?

    What point do you think I was trying to lodge into your apparently feeble mind? Are you really that obtuse, that you not only apologise for evil decisions but actively support them.

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    I think tomorrow will be a good day to make a donation to my neighbors to the north.

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    See You Next Tuesday.
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    I've hated her for a very long time. She is slippery like an eel ...... As in her back bone can contort like a eel. Feckless!!#
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Let us not have you men tell us all what Collins may or may not be "doing for women." I imagine she has at least as good an idea as any of you.

    Not all women think alike (after all). Millions of them in the US support Kavanaugh's appointment.

    They don't need this bunch of elderly white men to figure it all out for them.
    Spoken like a true elderly white man.
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    As I have mentioned before, she is utterly useless. At least Murkowski showed SOME backbone. I hope Maine voters and for that matter all voters see my signature.

    If further investigation shows that Kavanaugh lied under oath in his Congressional testimonies the Dems will impeach him if they wrest control back.
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    I suppose it is lost on those taking a crap on the courageous and principled Senator Collins, who certainly has not taken the easy way out, that they are demonizing a woman for not behaving as they think she should.

    Shame on them.

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    Just tired of the theatre sky.
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Where are people contributing money against her?

    My wallet wishes to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I suppose it is lost on those taking a crap on the courageous and principled Senator Collins, who certainly has not taken the easy way out, that they are demonizing a woman for not behaving as they think she should.

    Shame on them.
    I think Collins gave a fantastic speech, could have been written by Sen. Grassley it was so good, in fact! All the talking points are what Grassley has brought up in every interview he partook in.Nothing about Brewski's temperament, bias towards Democrats. That's immaterial for a SC justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Just tired of the theatre sky.
    He’s on stage drawing back the curtain. He see’s us with our belief suspended. Oh what an elevated perspective he has, you just don’t see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Just tired of the theatre sky.
    Collins now requires 24 hour police protection, her office has been vandalized and her female staffers have been threatened with rape.

    None of the good citizens here seem bothered by this at all. I'm sure some wholeheartedly support it.

    How about you? It's your thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    I think Collins gave a fantastic speech, could have been written by Sen. Grassley it was so good, in fact! All the talking points are what Grassley has brought up in every interview he partook in.Nothing about Brewski's temperament, bias towards Democrats. That's immaterial for a SC justice
    She sure filled up that time talking away from the performance we all saw. Party above country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I suppose it is lost on those taking a crap on the courageous and principled Senator Collins, who certainly has not taken the easy way out, that they are demonizing a woman for not behaving as they think she should.

    Shame on them.
    Shame is your stock and trade son.

    Collins isn't being demonised for her behaviour as a woman. She is being condemned for making an evil decision as a person. Just because she is a white woman doesn't make this about identity politics, which is the white, middle class right wing wacko notion that dweebs such as these might be being "oppressed", as opposing to giving up control over black people, LGBTI people and women generally.

    Giving up power over others is not oppression. Making crap decisions is making crap decisions and has nothing to do gender, class or race, but everything to do with merit.

    Collins is un-meretricious.

    Kavanaugh will have this chain around his neck of all his previous biases, hypocritical actions, and unprofessional emoting having probably just had a big fat bump of coke judging by the amount of deep sniffing that he had going on for his first five minutes.

    All you RWWs want to do is to tear everything down. You're only about destruction and hate in the most vile of ways. You are the brown shirts of our time; of that I have zero doubt. Ordinary people are the ones that commit atrocities, driven by the base, spite-driven politics we see you act out on a daily basis.
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    The evidence here would seem to be that women should be respected only when they behave as the bunch thinks they should. When they don't, they are fair game for threats, intimidation and demonization.

    These people don't respect women. They're getting called out for it. Let us see how they distinguish themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    The evidence here would seem to be that women should be respected only when they behave as the bunch thinks they should. When they don't, they are fair games for threats, intimidation and demonization.

    These people don't respect women.
    And you Trump supporter revel in intimidation, threats, fears and the demonization of anyone who thwarts your agenda SB. Look in a mirror, admit it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    And you Trump supporter revel in intimidation, threats, fears and the demonization of anyone who thwarts your agenda SB. Look in a mirror, admit it!
    He’s just a silly troll diverting another thread to his awesome and insightful judgement. He loves your mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    The evidence here would seem to be that women should be respected only when they behave as the bunch thinks they should. When they don't, they are fair game for threats, intimidation and demonization.

    These people don't respect women. They're getting called out for it. Let us see how they distinguish themselves.
    If you make a choice to murder someone you are likely going to face sanction for committing such a dreadful crime.

    If you're going to be a politician who makes a living from setting fire to political hay, you're going to expect blowback regardless of gender.

    The more extreme messages are indeed hateful, and as a socialist, pinko lefty left me take this occasion to condemn them. But the crowd funding campaign that seems to be Collins' main beef was set up by a guy in a friggin' wheelchair with ALS.

    And where is your condemnation of the avalanche of threats Blasey Ford has had to endure?

    Friggin' snowflake in a brown shirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    And most of them are not educated SB.Probably get their orders from their husbands what to think.
    Elderly white men?

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    You don't speak for all women, Duncan. Nite, now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    You don't speak for all women, Duncan. Nite, now
    Just the uneducated ones who support Trump. You're right SB!

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    Has Jamie lost the plot?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Has Jamie lost the plot?
    Maybe SB loves to divert people and I may have been diverted Paul.

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    Gotta say Susan Collins like the prosecutor Rachel Mitchell provide one hell of a shield for the act of threatened masculinity as performed by Trump, Kavanaugh and Lindsey. What bizarro theater.


    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...naughs-victory

    There were two salient parts of Kavanaugh’s response. First, while he obviously denied Blasey Ford’s allegation, for the most part he ignored it. He checked the box of denying the claim and then rapidly pivoted to a pure message of aggression, anger and promises to fight the recognized set of political enemies that bind him to his mass and elite supporters. The palpably false claims he made were meant to be and largely were subsumed in a morality play about grievance, aggression and common enemies. To put it more succinctly, Kavanaugh went full Trump. And it worked.

    That latter point is the key. It worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Gotta say Susan Collins like the prosecutor Rachel Mitchell provide one hell of a shield for the act of threatened masculinity as performed by Trump, Kavanaugh and Lindsey. What bizarro theater.


    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...naughs-victory

    There were two salient parts of Kavanaugh’s response. First, while he obviously denied Blasey Ford’s allegation, for the most part he ignored it. He checked the box of denying the claim and then rapidly pivoted to a pure message of aggression, anger and promises to fight the recognized set of political enemies that bind him to his mass and elite supporters. The palpably false claims he made were meant to be and largely were subsumed in a morality play about grievance, aggression and common enemies. To put it more succinctly, Kavanaugh went full Trump. And it worked.

    That latter point is the key. It worked.
    And his rant wasn't spontaneous either, he wrote it before saying what he did. It took thought. On the other hand, if it didn't take any thought, that disqualified him right there.

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    Mitchl knows the song. just got played for the entertainment and commercial value.

    Be wary of your critics, at peace with your decisions, and work hard to be a better man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Collins now requires 24 hour police protection, her office has been vandalized and her female staffers have been threatened with rape.

    None of the good citizens here seem bothered by this at all. I'm sure some wholeheartedly support it.

    How about you? It's your thread.
    If she gets raped, I hope she remembers how she got home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Gotta say Susan Collins like the prosecutor Rachel Mitchell provide one hell of a shield for the act of threatened masculinity as performed by Trump, Kavanaugh and Lindsey. What bizarro theater.


    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...naughs-victory

    There were two salient parts of Kavanaugh’s response. First, while he obviously denied Blasey Ford’s allegation, for the most part he ignored it. He checked the box of denying the claim and then rapidly pivoted to a pure message of aggression, anger and promises to fight the recognized set of political enemies that bind him to his mass and elite supporters. The palpably false claims he made were meant to be and largely were subsumed in a morality play about grievance, aggression and common enemies. To put it more succinctly, Kavanaugh went full Trump. And it worked.

    That latter point is the key. It worked.
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    Short Definition of DARVO

    DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.


    In a 2017 peer-reviewed open-access research study, Perpetrator Responses to Victim Confrontation: DARVO and Victim Self-Blame, Harsey, Zurbriggen, & Freyd reported that: "(1) DARVO was commonly used by individuals who were confronted; (2) women were more likely to be exposed to DARVO than men during confrontations; (3) the three components of DARVO were positively correlated, supporting the theoretical construction of DARVO; and (4) higher levels of exposure to DARVO during a confrontation were associated with increased perceptions of self-blame among the confronters. These results provide evidence for the existence of DARVO as a perpetrator strategy and establish a relationship between DARVO exposure and feelings of self-blame. Exploring DARVO aids in understanding how perpetrators are able to enforce victims’ silence through the mechanism of self-blame."


    In our newest research, still under review, Sarah Harsey and I completed two experiments. In one experiment we presented participants with accounts of abuse followed by a DARVO response versus a control response. We found exposure to the DARVO response was associated with less belief of the victim and more blame of the victim. In the second experiment Sarah Harsey and I examined whether learning about DARVO could mitigate its effects on individuals' perceptions of perpetrators and victims. DARVO-educated participants (compared with control) rated the perpetrator as less believable. While much more research is needed, these results suggest that DARVO is an effective strategy to discredit victims but that the power of the strategy can be mitigated by education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    https://dynamic.uoregon.edu/jjf/defineDARVO.html


    Short Definition of DARVO

    DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of "falsely accused" and attacks the accuser's credibility and blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.


    In a 2017 peer-reviewed open-access research study, Perpetrator Responses to Victim Confrontation: DARVO and Victim Self-Blame, Harsey, Zurbriggen, & Freyd reported that: "(1) DARVO was commonly used by individuals who were confronted; (2) women were more likely to be exposed to DARVO than men during confrontations; (3) the three components of DARVO were positively correlated, supporting the theoretical construction of DARVO; and (4) higher levels of exposure to DARVO during a confrontation were associated with increased perceptions of self-blame among the confronters. These results provide evidence for the existence of DARVO as a perpetrator strategy and establish a relationship between DARVO exposure and feelings of self-blame. Exploring DARVO aids in understanding how perpetrators are able to enforce victims’ silence through the mechanism of self-blame."


    In our newest research, still under review, Sarah Harsey and I completed two experiments. In one experiment we presented participants with accounts of abuse followed by a DARVO response versus a control response. We found exposure to the DARVO response was associated with less belief of the victim and more blame of the victim. In the second experiment Sarah Harsey and I examined whether learning about DARVO could mitigate its effects on individuals' perceptions of perpetrators and victims. DARVO-educated participants (compared with control) rated the perpetrator as less believable. While much more research is needed, these results suggest that DARVO is an effective strategy to discredit victims but that the power of the strategy can be mitigated by education.
    “...mitigated by education” and enhanced by willful ignorance. A deplorable position when those in power play the victim. “Saddam made us do it!”, “they’ve been laughing at us” self-deception leading to dysfunction.

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    It's wrong on both sides SB, I agree however, I haven't seen any empathy shown on your part for Ms. Ford at all. Is that because you condone what your peers have done to her for the past 4 weeks? Looks like it.

    At least Collins can get the Secret Service to protect her from these nuts, who is protecting Ford from your nuts?

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    What amazes me is that most here actually thought it may perhaps go against Judge Kavanaugh, this was fixed from the start.

    The real neat part is SB feigning concern for Collins staff....never a word about Ms Ford.

    It better get done in Nov, but that is also questionable.
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    It was fixed from the start, I listened to the entire hearing and Grassley blocked everything he didn't like, didn't release more than 10% of the information on Kavanaugh and refused any discussion or questions relating to that information he refused to release to the public.

    Secondly, he had his puppet, chosen by him, Mitchell to question Ford but, as soon as Kavanaugh got on the stand, Mitchell conveniently existed the hearing and the Republicans were asking the questions; one softball after another. They were so sure that Ford could be railroaded, they didn't even try to hide what they were doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    It's wrong on both sides SB, I agree however, I haven't seen any empathy shown on your part for Ms. Ford at all. Is that because you condone what your peers have done to her for the past 4 weeks? Looks like it.

    At least Collins can get the Secret Service to protect her from these nuts, who is protecting Ford from your nuts?
    SB is a 'traditionalist'.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Maybe the death threats are for threatening to vote against Kavanaugh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Maybe the death threats are for threatening to vote against Kavanaugh?
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