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    Question Looking for a rabbet plane

    I'm gearing up to cut the gains in the planking for my Ninigret. Not having cut gains before, I'm not quite sure what the best tool for the job would be...
    I'm thinking a rabbet plane would be best... bullnose? or something like a #78 Stanley with a fence?
    One inch wide gains will be cut in 3/8 meranti plywood.
    I'd like to do this on a budget ---- can't imagine what else I will need that plane for in the near future after this job is done.
    What do you suggest?
    Easiest for a first timer to get a good result...
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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    First off, you do not need a fence, just clamp a guide batten to the plank.
    Not a bullnose.
    There are lots for reasonable prices on ebay UK, there should be preloved planes on your side of the pond.
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Wood-...4AAOSwlE9do3C0
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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Go here for more links than you care to look through

    https://www.woodbywright.com/antique-tools
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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    I bought a well used 78 on ebay last year for under 20 bucks when I needed a rabbet plane. There were heaps of them available. The one I got was easy to set up and the old iron sharpened up nicely. I like how easy it is to adjust the depth of cut with the thumb lever.

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    The Fillister rebate planes above techinically are for normal wood. The blade orientation being 90 degrees to the cross grain plies is somewhat not ideal. Just saying. They work, but man has made better tools.

    Technically I think the tool for the job for your plywood is a skew rebate block plane, like this beauty from Veritas with an adjustable mouth to stop it blocking up and shorter length for the curve. The plies are then all being cut by an angled blade. Not cheap at all though, extremely spend (but they would be a pleasure to own and use) and you would need two. So keep an eye out on ebay people! They go for a lot on ebay too though unfortunately. But they are the proper tool for what we want.

    I reckon a decent router set up would be worth the trouble like for scarfing but over a longer distance for plank rebates.




    The blade angle being skewed is creating the same effect as using the block plane at an angle which you do normally. Lie Nielsen do equivalents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    The Fillister rebate planes above techinically are for normal wood. The blade orientation being 90 degrees to the cross grain plies is somewhat not ideal. Just saying. They work, but man has made better tools.

    Technically I think the tool for the job for your plywood is a skew rebate block plane,
    Clinker ply is usually glued at the lands, so a little roughing up by a straight rather than skew will not be an issue.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Upon educating myself a bit further, it seems that a low angle will be beneficial too.
    Shoulder plane better than a fillister then...correct?
    But the shoulder planes are a lot more pricey...
    I'll keep looking... for more advice from you guys , and for a deal on a plane. Fleabay has plenty of Stanley 78's.
    Nick's original suggestion of an old wood one will probably work out best cost wise.
    Or Amazon has some inexpensive made in china wood ones that might be worth a try...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo4352 View Post
    Upon educating myself a bit further, it seems that a low angle will be beneficial too.
    Keep in mind that a low angle plane means it's bevel up.
    The angle is low compared to other bevel up planes but has almost exactly the same angle as a bevel down plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo4352 View Post
    Upon educating myself a bit further, it seems that a low angle will be beneficial too.
    Shoulder plane better than a fillister then...correct?
    But the shoulder planes are a lot more pricey...
    I'll keep looking... for more advice from you guys , and for a deal on a plane. Fleabay has plenty of Stanley 78's.
    Nick's original suggestion of an old wood one will probably work out best cost wise.
    Or Amazon has some inexpensive made in china wood ones that might be worth a try...?
    Shoulder planes are precision tools for cleaning up the shoulders of a tenon. They work like a rebate plane, have a lower angle for dealing with the end grain, but as you found are costly.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Not to be too simple minded, but before I found a nice Stanley rabbet plane, I just made them to suit with chisels.

    A wee block of hardwood, and few cuts, and little wedge, and off to the races. Make a left and right handed version, make one with a fence, make one with a skew chisel...

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    If you want to stay on a low budget get a cheap 78, if you can get a good edge on it I think it will deal adequately with the ply. You'll need to resharpen frequently, it will dull more quickly on ply. I have tried a couple of inexpensive modern planes and the irons have been useless among other faults. If you don't want to invest in a really nice new plane an old one off EBay is the better choice.

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Among others I have a Stanley 90 that works fine for me.

    Remember there are lots of ways to get to the same end result.

    This was one professional boat builders solution decades ago..




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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    7713E00C-77DC-4DBC-8F43-E217EEC512D0.jpg Not wanting to buy any more tools I whipped these up one Saturday morning.

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Thanks for the help everybody.
    I just placed an order for a Craftsman Stanley 78 lookalike.
    Looks real good in the pictures...we'll see what it looks like when it gets here.

    s-l500.jpg s-l500 (2).jpg s-l500 (1).jpg

    No fence or depth gauge. Don't need them anyways, I guess, and it was cheaper that way. 26 bucks
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    The setup in post 15 works fine.
    I used it eons ago.
    basil

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Nice score For gains and places where I want to work from both sides I prefer a shoulder plane so I can adjust to either side,,,but that's a personal preference. I have an old Stanley 92 and a cheap-o Anant and I keep one set up to cut on each side. So far so good. Looking forward to seeing your project!

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Any thoughts on cutting gains on the boat? Or on the bench?

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Do them on the bench. Make a fence of a good piece of hardwood longer than the gains. Make sure its dead balls square and clamp it right on the edge of the rabbet and clamp everything securely to the bench. Score the cut with a dovetail saw at the fat end. This will reduce your tearout of the opposing grain in the layers of ply. Don't use the cutting spur. The end of the cut has to be right on the edge of the bench so the plane doesn't ride up at the end of the cut.
    Sharpen often. The glue in the ply will play hell with your edge.
    I would do a couple practice pieces on some scrap so you get the feel for the process. Its not really difficult and once you've done a few it should feel pretty intuitive. Leave some fat on the bone. Its easier to take another quick swipe with the plane or a sanding block with sixty grit than to fill in the gap with thickened Goodge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo4352 View Post
    Thanks for the help everybody.
    I just placed an order for a Craftsman Stanley 78 lookalike.
    Looks real good in the pictures...we'll see what it looks like when it gets here.

    s-l500.jpg s-l500 (2).jpg s-l500 (1).jpg

    No fence or depth gauge. Don't need them anyways, I guess, and it was cheaper that way. 26 bucks
    That'll do. That cutting spur will help prevent tear out. Keep it sharp as well as the blade as Willin advises.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Looking for a rabbet plane

    Just what ARE these things?
    They look like those cigarette rolling machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Just what ARE these things?
    They look like those cigarette rolling machines.

    Very funny Bruce! Not everything in the boat shop has to plug in and have a spinning blade. LOL Hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Just what ARE these things?
    They look like those cigarette rolling machines.
    Well, they are for making tight joints.

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    ^ Well fielded that man.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    The plane came today and I am very happy with what I got. A steal really.
    Great condition and sharp out of the box. I just touched up the iron a little and was able to cut some practice gains right away.
    Might just be my favorite new tool. It's gonna get more use than I at first thought it would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timo4352 View Post
    The plane came today and I am very happy with what I got. A steal really.
    Great condition and sharp out of the box. I just touched up the iron a little and was able to cut some practice gains right away.
    Might just be my favorite new tool. It's gonna get more use than I at first thought it would.
    Very good! It's always nice when things work out.

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