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    I rebuilt a Windemere livery skiff.
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    Her keel batten and stern wedge is 1 inch sideing. I don't think that Swallow has a CB (may be wrong in that) so you do not need to swell it around a slot.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    I rebuilt a Windemere livery skiff.

    Her keel batten and stern wedge is 1 inch sideing. I don't think that Swallow has a CB (may be wrong in that) so you do not need to swell it around a slot.
    3.1 inch sideing does seem a lot....I would scale it to 1.5 - 2 inches max ? ..Swallow has no Cb as far as I understand it.

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    Wait.

    You can reduce scantlings in situ on a MODEL, too?

    I am learning.

    The book says Swallow has no board, which is why we prefer her to Amazon.

    Your wee ship lapped gains are “totes adorbs”.

    I keep threatening to make a wee lapstrake model, too. I have a lot of great softwood stock. I may just dream up a dream boat, too.
    I love this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    The book says Swallow has no board, which is why we prefer her to Amazon.
    Rob, we both know that in the real world Amazon would have out-pointed Swallow and utterly destroyed her in the race towards the end of Swallowdale. The Amazons would have been burping pudding long before Swallow trickled in.



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    Nothing to see here. Please move along.

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    "The enemies of reason have a certain blind look."
    Doctor Jacquin to Lieutenant D'Hubert, in Ridley Scott's first major film _The Duellists_.

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    Getting there! Helps that the shed's now in double-digits!
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    Superb !!

    Good job so far, keep the pics coming please !!!

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    Thank you !

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    Certainly seems to make turning the hull over easy when you build in that size. Looks great!

    When are you going to catch a squirrel and start training him up for helmsman duty? If they can learn to waterski, they can learn to sail.

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    Couple of questions to the knowledgable:

    Q1: After the sinking in Swallowdale, the bottom boards float but are kept in the hull by the thwarts. Is this right? Would they just rest on the floors? No key/pegs to hold them in place in daily use?

    Q2: The pigs of ballast. Where would these be situated? Five little ones and a big one suggests 'centred on the keel'. Would these be lodged in place by a box or similar?

    I dunno ... I'm willing to wing it, but if there's RW experience out there I'd much prefer to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Couple of questions to the knowledgable:

    Q1: After the sinking in Swallowdale, the bottom boards float but are kept in the hull by the thwarts. Is this right? Would they just rest on the floors? No key/pegs to hold them in place in daily use?

    Q2: The pigs of ballast. Where would these be situated? Five little ones and a big one suggests 'centred on the keel'. Would these be lodged in place by a box or similar?

    I dunno ... I'm willing to wing it, but if there's RW experience out there I'd much prefer to use it.

    Andy
    Yar. The floorboards shifted and floated up and jammed under the thwarts, but did not float out.

    The ballast pigs had eyes in them, too, remember, to tie a line to. I'd imagine they rested on the keel and floors just under the floorboards by the description of their recovery.

    Yes, I just re-read the chapters.

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    I suspect you'll hate my next foray into this field, Rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    I suspect you'll hate my next foray into this field, Rob.

    "A M am..."
    Contrarily, I am so enamoured. Ironically, I am also working on a miniature, but mine is paper and a house.

    Looking at your model makes me really want to make the boathouse...

    Also, I've nothing against foils, in real life. We just all decided long ago we're Swallows. Which is really ironical, as the kids earned their stripes sailing around a wee centerboard skiff. Ha.

    Still, if I lived on the water, a boat like Swallow would appeal to me more than anything, I imagine.

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    Lead sash weights seem to have been common in England.
    Square with a hole in one end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Couple of questions to the knowledgable:

    Q1: After the sinking in Swallowdale, the bottom boards float but are kept in the hull by the thwarts. Is this right? Would they just rest on the floors? No key/pegs to hold them in place in daily use?

    Q2: The pigs of ballast. Where would these be situated? Five little ones and a big one suggests 'centred on the keel'. Would these be lodged in place by a box or similar?

    I dunno ... I'm willing to wing it, but if there's RW experience out there I'd much prefer to use it.

    Andy
    It is easy enough to pour lead to cast ballast pigs that fit the bottom. Line the space with layers of paper pressed into the lands and over the timbers and providing the paper is dry you can cast directly into the boat's bilge,
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    ^ That frightens me. I cast lead for my model of Racundra in a wooden former off the boat, and verily there arose much charring and smoke. A (Finnish?) model boatbuilder stated he just poured lead into his wooden sailing hulls and let it set, but I don't think I would dare do it.
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    Rattlin' along.

    (Rig in the background is the main for the 1/8th scale Racundra. (There's a theme going on here - and I've recently acquired the lines for the Nancy Blackett. I may just have to... ;-) )
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    First stab at the rig up. Floors, floorboards and remaining thwarts tomorrow.

    Why didn't I get a heated shed years ago?
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    I so want to paint this, she's clearly an ex-working boat ... but client says 'varnish'. Ah well.

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    And add a big varnish stink.
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    This may be a bit far for you Andy. Let's hope Nick goes and records it http://www.arnsidesailingclub.co.uk/...YZCz9wz2TY09_w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    This may be a bit far for you Andy. Let's hope Nick goes and records it http://www.arnsidesailingclub.co.uk/...YZCz9wz2TY09_w
    I have already booked my seat.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Tempting ... but I see the revamped Windermere museum (Windermere Jetty) is re-opening just five days later on the 23rd, which might well be a target. Thanks for the heads-up.
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    I am hugely impressed by the model and would like the patience that must be necessary to varnish it.

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    Wow that`s impressive Andy !

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post


    And add a big varnish stink.
    I know that you are not going to thank me, but the bottom boards should be made like these:


    But scrubbed white rather than varnished.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    <sound of wood being ripped out>

    Seriously, any/all advice is more than welcome.

    Boat on the right has what looks like ply sheets in. Is that what you're suggesting, or is it the curve conforming to the hull?

    Cheers, Andy
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    <sound of wood being ripped out>

    Seriously, any/all advice is more than welcome.

    Boat on the right has what looks like ply sheets in. Is that what you're suggesting, or is it the curve conforming to the hull?

    Cheers, Andy
    The boards were cut from wide stock, as big as the tree could provide.
    The bow sheets were as you see made from three or four boards cut to a fan shape and supported on beams
    Stern sheets were similar if fitted, but your Swallow will not have them.
    The bottom boards were in 5 sections. A curved margin plank, about 3" wide was screwed to the timbers each side. The main boards of one or two planks each was stiffened by transverse cleats and sat on the bottom timbers. The cleats were long enough to hook under the margin planks and extended past the inboard edges.
    Then the middle board, about 6" wide and parallel sided held the boards down, bearing on the inboard ends of the cleats. It was secured either by turn buttons or wedges through staples.
    The rowing stretcher racks were fitted to the margin planks.
    Some alternatives


    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Keel now full depth, and stem on. Reef points. Etc. Getting there!
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    nice, well done !

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    I admire your skill and patience. Before I began the build of my 18-footer I made a rough balsa model - working at that scale was painstaking, to say the least. When I started the big build I was so relieved to be handling human-sized timber! When I see work like yours I get the itch to try a little one again.

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