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    We have two too many cats in the house. The last straw for me is that I picked up a loaf of bread on the counter and it had obviously been eaten by mice. Yesterday, with honeybunny’s reluctant acquiescence I kicked two of them out to be outdoor cats henceforth. Kat told me I had to build them a heated cathouse on stilts and get them a heated water dish before winter in two weeks.

    This morning I go outside to pee and the two kittens bolt past me into the house. I followed them in whereupon the most pitiful of the two refugees presented us with an eviserated mouse.
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    I would say that is progress.
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    good negotiation, next a bread box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    next a bread box.
    its parts are on the table saw as we speak

    meanwhike i’m trying to figure out how to feed two kittens outside without attracting every coon and ‘possum for five miles. . .
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    A bread box would be a lot easier. Besides, who can resist something as charming and delightful as an eviscerated mouse as a peace offering? Mine have generally presented me with headless baby rabbits as tokens of esteem and affection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    A bread box would be a lot easier. Besides, who can resist something as charming and delightful as an eviscerated mouse as a peace offering? Mine have generally presented me with headless baby rabbits as tokens of esteem and affection.

    You shoulda heard Katherine’s shriek. A headless baby rabbit would have been truly priceless. A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.
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    Kieth, the bread being eaten by mice, while the last straw, is the least of the problems from having too many cats in the house. . .
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    Eeeew. Mine at least have the decency to leave them outside the door. That way I get to start my day by trying to avoid stepping on the corpse while leaving for work; always a treat.

    Actually, the bread might have been chewed by the cats themselves. Some will do that, as far as I can tell just out of boredom or perversity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.
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    Ours is an indoor cat. Living out in the boonies in the middle of the woods, we get mice coming inside all the time. The cat is pretty good at killing some of them. Lately he's gotten into the habit of eating the mice and just leaving the head in the middle of the living room floor for us to find.
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    Cats on the kitchen counter? Who's to blame for that?

    Forget a breadbox. Keep the bread where the mice don't go - in the fridge. In fact, keep everything where the mice can't get at it.

    My pantry is full of glass bottles. Noodles, sugar, flour, nuts, chocolate, dried fruit. All in glass bottles.

    Look, there's stuff you can't fight, like coons eating the cat food. And there's stuff you can fight, like cats on surfaces where they don't belong. Since the cats are perfectly capable of catching mice, you need them inside to do so. And you don't need to encourage rodents outdoors near the house, or fights between cats and rodents.
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    Okay Emily here’s the big things that bother me. Cat piss where it doesn’t belong and wild cat fights across the bed where I am sleeping at two in the morning. Shredded furniture upholstery too. All of this was manageable with two old cats. With two old cats and two young cats all of it is constantly daily over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    You shoulda heard Katherine’s shriek. A headless baby rabbit would have been truly priceless. A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.
    A friend of SWMBO's had a cat that constantly brought him "offerings". He figured he'd try a new plan to stop the offerings. When the cat brought a mouse to him, he got down on all fours, took the mouse between his teeth and shook the thing back and forth finally throwing the mouse a fair distance. Cat sat and stared at the guy. Cat remained a "hunter" for the rest of his life, but didn't bring any more "presents".

    As a kid, we had a cat who was huge - size of a small dog - a cat-mutt that was probably part Maine Coon. He was a big-time hunter bringing in squirrels, rabbits, voles, mice, chipmunks and the occasional bird. Everybody had a "place" Offerings for my dad were left in front of his garage door. Offerings for my mom were left in the kitchen on the floor by the stove. Offerings for my brother and I were left in the side yard where we'd play.

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    We had a cat once. My wife/four daughters wanted a cat. I didn't.

    So we compromised... and got a cat.


    Turns out, I'm allergic to cat dander, and it 'floats' - through the entire house, even if the cats don't have whole house access. Dog dander won't do that. When our cat went to that big catbox in the sky, we had a 'discussion' - no more cats. It's been nice.

    AFA mousing... we compromised. Don't keep the birdseed in the garage; and set traps all over the place. I've probably caught a couple of dozen over the past year.
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    Our present cat kills ground-dwelling stuff - mice, moles, snakes, and bunnies - and (mostly) eats all of it. Very occasionally, when she has been bad or we have been away (the cat thinks this is us punishing her) she brings a peace offering in to the floor of my basement office. Our previous cat was an aerial specialist - birds, bats, squirrels and chipmunks - and delighted in bringing them home alive. Nothing like having a bat or two released in your bedroom at three in the morning...
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    “This morning I go outside to pee”

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    in february i write my name in the snow
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    A cat house? A new business in hell... I suppose it could work, employ a bunch and bring more tourists. I don’t know about the breakfast in bed thing... someone will be calling a health inspector!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    in february i write my name in the snow
    When yer older, yer happy if you can just do your initials.... DAMHIKT
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    You have two problems:

    1) you have too many cats.
    2) you have mice in your house.

    Putting some cats outside is going to wreak havoc on your local bird population so that's an irresponsible and environmentally damaging action that will not solve either of your problems. Getting rid of some of your cats and getting some mouse traps will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianY View Post
    Getting rid of some of your cats.
    this is not an option with my current wife
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    Paul,

    You can train cats, just like dogs.

    I didn’t believe it, either, but if I told you who told me, you’d believe it. Anyway, I’ve done it with the kittens. They understand the verbal command “no” and they come when called. Usually.

    The smart one is learning how to indicate when wants water. She goes to the sink and howls.

    Mind, these are only quarantined until their lady guts are removed. Then, they go outside, with inside privileges, if they behave.

    None of our cats attack birds, but the older two are mouse, rat, and gopher killing fools. Have I related the tale of finding my rat tail file on the garage floor? Nope. Not my file! Haha.

    Also, where are the mice entering? You’re missing the fun of the game. When you put a patch over the mouse hole, drive a bunch of extra nails of screws through, too.

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    Okay Emily here’s the big things that bother me. Cat piss where it doesn’t belong and wild cat fights across the bed where I am sleeping at two in the morning. Shredded furniture upholstery too. All of this was manageable with two old cats. With two old cats and two young cats all of it is constantly daily over the top.
    Sift the box every day. Keep it clean. Neuter the cats.

    Close the bedroom door. Or close the door of the room the cats spend the night in. (Don't sneer. They can be made to tolerate closed doors. But you must be rigorously consistent.)

    Trim their claw tips. Spritz them when they scratch in the wrong places. Speak harshly to them when they do something wrong. Cuddle them all the rest of the time.

    Look, just as dogs have to be house trained, cats do also. It's very difficult if you wait 'til they're adults, but much easier if you lay down all the laws during the third and fourth months of kittenhood. Most of them will learn if they also get regular food and ample compensatory affection. Also it really pays off to play with them until you exhaust their energy.

    Vinegar is the antidote to pee. Pee is basic, vinegar is an acid. Vinegar works to eliminate the odor by neutralizing the pee.

    You must establish the dominant position in the feline hierarchy. And it must be leavened with affection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    this is not an option with my current wife
    then you actually have three problems

    deal with the mice by setting traps. I guess you just have to learn to live with the other two problems
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    Have you built an enormous cat tree with dangly bits and tubes and such? Leftover trailer bunk carpet works great...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    this is not an option with my current wife
    This is going to cost you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine View Post
    This is going to cost you.
    I can get you six kittens today.

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    Oh hi babe, didn’t see you there! How’s your day going?
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    No kibbles 'n bits for you! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by elf View Post
    Sift the box every day. Keep it clean. Neuter the cats.
    BoxES. The expert recommendation is at least as many boxes as you have cats, preferably n+1, although we've managed to get by with one box and two cats. Clean twice a day, or use silica gel, which reduces necessary cleaning to almost zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    We have two too many cats in the house. The last straw for me is that I picked up a loaf of bread on the counter and it had obviously been eaten by mice.
    You have mice inside, so you want to put cats outside? What am I missing?

    Are they making mouse sandwiches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    this is not an option with my current wife
    That reminds me of the story of the man who used to introduce his wife as "...my first wife."

    I tried it once. I'm too old to sleep on the sofa.

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    I use that joke all the time..... swmbo thinks it's hilarious! Really!...

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    Well, this IS the tale (tail?) of Kitty and Pooh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianY View Post

    Putting some cats outside is going to wreak havoc on your local bird population
    No necessarily. My cats (rescued brothers from the same litter) can go out during the day and occasionally find mice to bring home as their contribution to the domestic economy. Their aim seems to be to stock, the house with mice, not banish them (these are actually little field mice) Most of the time I can catch their victims, who are not usually harmed, and restore them to the bosom of their little murine families. But birds? They just don't do birds. I suppose they might have had about three young ones in the nearly four years they have been with me.
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