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    Yet there are still so much stabbing attacks.
    The law on knives in the UK

    Carrying a knife with a folding blade measuring three inches or longer in public without good reason is prohibited by UK law.

    It is illegal to sell knives to under-18s unless it has a folding blade three inches or less.


    In Scotland 16 to 18-year-olds are permitted to buy cutlery and kitchen knives.


    Lock knives, classified as a blade that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button, are illegal to carry in public without good reason.


    Butterfly, flick, gravity, stealth and zombie knives are all illegal to sell, hire, lend or bring into the country.


    Disguised knives, classified as a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick, are prohibited from being sold in the UK.

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    Yawn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Yet there are still so much stabbing attacks.

    Watched a tourist get arrested at the London Eye for having a 4" folding knife.
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    Violent criminals always find a way.
    Do you actually have a point Rummy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Violent criminals always find a way.
    Do you actually have a point Rummy?
    You're kidding, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Violent criminals always find a way.
    Do you actually have a point Rummy?
    With the implementation of gun ban the stabbings have risen.

    Would be interesting to see if there was any actual correlation in the reduction in gun murder numbers being roughy equivalent to the rise in the number of knife murders?

    Or is one or other significantly higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    With the implementation of gun ban the stabbings have risen.

    Would be interesting to see if there was any actual correlation in the reduction in gun murder numbers being roughy equivalent to the rise in the number of knife murders?

    Or is one or other significantly higher.
    Rummy U R Silly

    The "ban on guns" was enacted n 1996.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Rummy U R Silly

    The "ban on guns" was enacted n 1996.
    So there should be a great deal of information regarding actual figures and trends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    So there should be a great deal of information regarding actual figures and trends.
    Go find if then.

    come back and present your findings in graphical form
    naybe even throw in a regression analysis if you’re up to it
    really looking forward to seeing what you learn
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    The UK's overwhelmingly urban population doesn't seem to have a daily requirement to stalk deer or hunt waterfowl to eat, or to fend off polar bears. OTOH, even the vegans need to chop onions, celery, and carrots. The omnivorous few even nosh on roast beast, and aren't content to only eat it minced.

    So there are a whole lot of knives in existence, which are needed for humdrum daily peaceful life. And coincidentally, when handguns are very scarce, the violently inclined tend to go to a next best choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Go find if then.
    Could you please clarify what you are trying to say.


    Don't bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Don't bother.
    actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change
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    Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
    Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

    How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change
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    This is a perfect example of where half a statement implies everything and proves nothing.

    Gun violence and the murder rate went down in Australia when they got rid of the guns.

    I suspect stabbings are down in Britain as a result of knife laws, but it won't stop angry wives from using the kitchen knife when they find their husbands in bed with the neighbor.

    Take what you can get and expect less than everything. Anything else is nonsense.

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    I think it's possible to kill someone with a 10mm blade if you knew what you were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Go find if then.

    come back and present your findings in graphical form
    naybe even throw in a regression analysis if you’re up to it
    really looking forward to seeing what you learn
    Here is one site
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
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    I should apologise for misleading Rummy. 1996 really tightened up controls, but gun ownership has been regulated for much longer
    Firearms Act 1920

    The Firearms Act 1920 was partly spurred by fears of a possible surge in crime from the large number of firearms available following World War I and also fears of working-class unrest in this period. "An Act to amend the law relating to firearms and other weapons and ammunition", its main stated aim was to enable the government to control the overseas arms trade and so fulfill its commitment to the 1919 Paris Arms Convention.[79] The ongoing Anglo-Irish War may also have been a factor, as Britain and Ireland were at that time still in union with each other at the time, and the Act also applied to Ireland. It required anyone wanting to purchase or possess a firearm or ammunition to obtain a firearm certificate. The certificate, which lasted for three years, specified not only the firearm but also the amount of ammunition the holder could buy or possess. Local chief constables decided who could obtain a certificate and had the power to exclude anyone of "intemperate habits" or "unsound mind", or anyone considered "...for any reason unfitted to be trusted with firearms". Applicants for certificates also had to convince the police that they had a good reason for needing a certificate. The law did not affect smooth-bore guns, which were available for purchase without any form of paperwork. The penalty for violating the Act was a fine of up to £50 or "imprisonment with or without hard labour for a term not exceeding three months", or both.[80]
    The right of individuals to bear arms had previously been, in the words of the 1689 Bill of Rights, "as allowed by law". The 1920 Act made this right conditional upon the Home Secretary and the police. A series of classified Home Office directives defined for the benefit of chief constables what constituted good reason to grant a certificate. They originally included self-defence.[80]
    As the 1920 Act did not prevent criminals from obtaining firearms illegally, in 1933 the Firearms and Imitation Firearms (Criminal Use) Bill was submitted to Parliament. It increased the punishment for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime and made it an offence punishable by up to 14 years' imprisonment for anyone to "attempt to make use" of any firearm or imitation firearm to resist arrest. Possession of a real or imitation firearm was also made an offence unless the possessor could show he had it for "a lawful object".[81]
    Firearms Act 1937

    The Firearms Act 1937 incorporated various modifications to the 1920 Act based on the recommendations of a 1934 committee chaired by Sir Archibald Bodkin. The resulting legislation raised the minimum age for buying a firearm or airgun from 14 to 17, extended controls to shotguns and other smooth-bore weapons with barrels shorter than 20 in (510 mm) (later raised by the Firearms Act 1968 to 24 in (610 mm), transferred certificates for machine guns to military oversight, regulated gun dealers, and granted chief constables the power to add conditions to individual Firearms Certificates.[82]
    The same year, the Home Secretary ruled that self-defence was no longer a suitable reason for applying for a firearm certificate and directed police to refuse such applications on the grounds that "firearms cannot be regarded as a suitable means of protection and may be a source of danger".[83]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    I should apologise for misleading Rummy. 1996 really tightened up controls, but gun ownership has been regulated for much longer
    No problem mon, all well intended contributions are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
    Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

    How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.

    Yep. We changed the law. Sort of out of left field but got signed into law. Not aware of any incidents. Iím leaning towards a naval cutlass as a good all-rounder.

    HB 1935 eliminates Bowie knives, daggers, dirks, stilletos, poniards, swords, and spears from the Texas statute 46.02 Unlawful Carrying Weapons and the definition of an illegal knife. They may be carried throughout the state (except for prohibited locations).

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    From a time when the Brits had different political leanings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    I think it's possible to kill someone with a 10mm blade if you knew what you were doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    sharpened pencil
    Took a class in self-defense once, taught by a special forces guy. The list included hands, pencils, guns, knives, and a rolled-up magazine.

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    similar politics, differing sensibilities
    Quote Originally Posted by bluedog225 View Post
    From a time when the Brits had different political leanings.

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    Of our Little Nicholas had been assaulted by a would be robber with a knife, heíd be alive today.

    He was shot in the back of the head while running away.

    Even a track star canít outrun a bullet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
    Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

    How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.
    The length of the blasť seems paramount.

    Can a Sikh carry knife in UK?


    England and Wales. As a bladed article, possession of a kirpan without valid reason in a public place would be illegal under section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988. However, there is a specific defence for a person to prove that he carries it for "religious reasons".






    While the Scots can sport a 'sgian-dubh' when worn as part of the national dress of Scotland.


    The sgian-dubh is legal in Scotland, England and Wales.

    In Scotland under the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995Sec. 49, Sub-sec. 5(c); in England and Wales, under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139) and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 4).
    However, the wearing of the sgian-dubh is sometimes banned in areas with 'zero tolerance' weapons policies or heightened security concerns.
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    The UK homicide rate is about 1/4 that of the US.

    It may be stating the grotesquely obvious, but it's far easier to kill people with a gun than a knife. There are excellent reasons that armies don't carry only knives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    The UK homicide rate is about 1/4 that of the US.

    It may be stating the grotesquely obvious, but it's far easier to kill people with a gun than a knife. There are excellent reasons that armies don't carry only knives.
    Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?

    Somehow , with their strict laws regarding weapons, that sounds way high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change
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    O fer crissakes, just stop it Rummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf View Post
    Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?.
    No. The UK murder rate per capita is about 1/4 that of the US.
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    Coupl o dozen Saudis destroyed our freedom and economy with box cutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf View Post
    Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?

    Somehow , with their strict laws regarding weapons, that sounds way high.
    Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
    Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

    How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.
    Don't forget the Scots, I've got a good sized bade and the sheath has a set containing a dinner untensiIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate
    That makes more sense to me.
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