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    Default Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    I want one, but I'm not sure I'm good enough to build one myself.
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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    Go for it! It's a small and simple project but it will still give you experience with the basic elements of boat building.

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    I agree. I'm sure you can build one. Study, watch videos, read Bolger and Payson. Ask questions here if you run into trouble.
    If you want to buy one, keep an eye on craigslist. Search plywood dory.

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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    I also suggest building a scale model, as Payson recommends.

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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    I love, and often return to, the quote in Wooden Boat years ago from a guy who built a very passable boat saying, "I didn't know I couldn't do it". When I reflect on my life, I realize that didn't know that I could do practically everything I have accomplished. And it's always quite a wonderful self-satisfying surprise to me that I did it.

    You might ask around for a set of molds I'm sure there must be some around, although the lofting and mold making is an integral part of the process that familiarizes you with the design form and what's to come.

    Along with hundreds of others, I built one on Cape Cod in the 70's that is still the apple of my (and other's, I might add) eye, here in Annapolis, MD over 40 years later.
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    An excellent choice for a first project - if you enjoy rowing. I've enjoyed building them, including the stretched version, for more folks. In fact, we built the stretched version as part of a youth skills-building program, and the kids did most of the work.
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    I hadn't considered the "starting with someone else's molds" option. I have the Payson book and it seems like something I *could* do if I spent a lot of time. But it's a hard sell, given that I prefer to spend my time sailing/rowing rather than building

    Hmm. If I could get molds and full scale plans I could probably stitch-and-glue one reasonably fast. I wonder if I can get them CNCed?
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    For what its worth, there are plans online for a stitch and glue dory called the South Haven Dory. Since it is designed for stitch and glue, you wouldn't have to adapt a ply over frame design to s&g. I haven't built one, and have no idea how it compares to the Gull, just thought I would make you aware of its existence.

    As for boat building, if you can cut to a measured line, you can build a boat like the Gull or similar. The tricky part is getting over the fact that these plywood boats look like a boat very quickly, but then need to be sanded (A LOT if you are doing S&G), and then things like seats, gunwales, inwales, etc need to be added, and the whole thing painted/varnished. Getting them from looking like a boat to actually being a useful boat can be time consuming. I don't want prospective builders to be intimidated, but rather aware of the realities of plywood boat building.

    Hope that is helpful
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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    Also, Jim Michalak has a version in stitch and glue.

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    Yes, build it yourself. I had very rough and basic skills when I set about designing and building my own boat (I had built two blanket chests, basically, one crude, the next passable). I also had to build it in an apartment with few tools and no workbench (besides the 'no plans'). Any normal person would have advised me to forget about it until I took a course, or something. As I have said elsewhere, "It was the worst boat, it was the best of boats." I wish I had telepathy to tell you how important it was to do this thing; words will only sound especially trite. You can do it. The tools are basic. And you have plans, and lots of support here. There will be no regrets worth recalling; trust me. -- Wade

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    You are in the right neighborhood. There must be a dozen forumites in your area who would stop by on a Saturday to give advice if you need it. A very simple build and a pretty boat. I would ad one to my collection if time permitted. I am pretty sure I still have the plans. I think this was one of Bolger's favorites.

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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    I do love the Gloucester Gull/Light Dory. To my eye, all other plywood banks-style dories pale in comparison - looks wise, at least.

    InstantBoats.com sells full sized templates for the Gull, which could save a lot of work.
    http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysonc...-size-patterns

    I have rowed one that was built S&G - I don't think it's a hard conversion, at all. I don't have an excuse to build one, but if I did I would go that way.

    I think this is the one I rowed, built by Erik Friberg and son. 6mm ply, minimal outfitting, with a single laminated frame.
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    I finished building one a couple years ago and still have the molds; you're welcome to use them. Pretty boat, simple to build, easy to row altho a wee bit tiddly. (I love that word.) Mine has thole blocks/pins because somewhere on this forum someone pointed out the soothing repetitious sound of wood on wood pins versus wood on metal oarlocks. Building the ladder frame and molds, and then adding seats, breasthook, gunwales, epoxy, varnish, paint, etc, takes waaay more time than making the hull itself. The man who will sell you the plans (Dennis?) couldn't be more friendly and helpful so he deserves the 75 bucks, plus it's the right thing to do. I could be talked into selling or loaning my Gull if the circumstances were right. I'm in West Palm Beach and I'd be happy to help.

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    Welcome aboard SurfDory. Generous offer and good post.

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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    They have little initial stability, but tons of secondary stability. Just try to get that last inch required to get the gunwhale in the water! Pretty much have to stand on it to get it under. But if you stand up in it, and shift off centre a bit, it will lurch due to the low initial stability, then stop fast as the secondary stability kicks in, and throw you out. It will then pop up again upright, with so much freeboard that you will have a devil of a time getting back in.

    They row nicely, and are good fun to surf in a 2 foot chop or boat wakes.

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    Thanks! I know the boat well, I've been rowing once since I was a kid. I guess I thought of it as tiddly way back when, but not so much anymore. Also you can load the hell out of it as you surely know, we often row (in flat water of course) w/ three adults and two kids on the floor, we maxed out once w/ something like 8 people. Sure makes rowing easy when the oarlocks get that low!! Heh

    I think I already have plans from some years ago, actually, i'll have to check my stock. I've always been intimidated by the stem/chines/molds but the rest seems within my grasp I think.

    The ladderback seems like the easy part and I'm quite good w/ epoxy. If I had molds it would be very tempting to stitch and glue one; if I could skip the stem and chines and molds it would seem to save a metric TON of work.
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    The stem isn't too bad, but easier if you have access to a bandsaw. It only takes half an hour or so to cut it out with one. The chines are OK as well, but DO NOT try the double-beveled version. I did, and found that it made it very hard to bend into place, because the lozenge shape wants to twist instead of bend nicely. I gave up and made new chines with a single bevel. You might be able to do it, but it will take at least 2 people and lots of clamps to twist the chine as it goes into the notches in the forms. Single bevel just goes into place with no drama. I never found that drainage of the top of the chine was that important in keeping the boat clean.

    You can build one with 3 sheets of plywood, and a few scraps for the transom. Clear Doug fir for chines and other framing. I built mine directly from Payson's book.

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    I have Payson's book and have long admired the design. Here is the deal. I have a 16' Old Town (1937) in my shop, just about ready for canvas. Cane seats perfect condition all the parts are there, comes complete with the "bible" on refinishing and recanvasing, copy of the original OT order, and one original OT paddle, but I know I will never use it if I finish it, so I have decided to put it on CL and when it sells I will buy the materials for the dory. Right now I have been cleaning up my shop after building my CLC Peeler. Nightmare of a mess, and yesterday when I pulled out a drawer that I had not opened in a while I found an entire family of mice complete with feces and a great deal of pee soaking into what I had stored there. Heartless bastard that I am, I fired up my shop vac, whipped the drawer open and went to it, mice contents and all.
    I want to build the stretched version.

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    Default Re: Anyone building a Gloucester Gull? Anyone got one for sale?

    Go for it!
    I built it from Mr.Payson's book and it was pretty straight forward.
    Making the stem wo a band saw was tricky, I laid out the shape, then drilled a series of 1/8" holes along the lines then planed it smooth.
    Full size drawings for the molds is a good idea. Scaling them up from the drawing in the book did not inspire confidence.
    I found drilling some 2" holes in the molds and using bar clamps in them helped persuade the ply to take the necessary shape.
    I would, and I am sure other Forum members would as well, consider making a field trip to help you out some weekend.
    Good luck

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    Walt Baron had one for sale that he built. Check Old Wharf Dory Wellfleet Ma. Or just come to his rowing rendezvous this coming Sat 9/29 from noon to 4:00. Lots of different boats to try out.

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