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    Started into the last substantial job - rebuilding the cockpit.
    here it is raw;

    IMG_5761.jpg

    There's my trusty little vacuum cleaner. Quite possibly the most essential tool for refurbing a boat.
    This little beat up unit is a good 15 or more years old, has no wheels the cord doesn't retract and every now and then it splits open in two. But it does have a reusable bag! and it keeps on keeping on.

    i sat down and considered how the cockpit might look.
    One of the challenges in the past is getting sail bags stowed through the locker doors. They were simply too small. I want to make them bigger.
    Starboard the door will need to stay the same. There's a pump at the forward end and the piping for the bilge pumps is determining the maximum extent aft.
    But port side can be bigger.

    Here cleaned up with the first cross piece in place.

    IMG_5762.jpg

    I pulled out the timber grating and replaced it with kneeling friendly foam pads.

    Then four beams in giving it the shape i can settle on.

    IMG_5764.jpg

    Then i came asunder.
    The more i contemplated it the more i realise i'm much closer to needing furniture grade workmanship than at any other part of the job. People will sit in here, close up, touching and looking. So how to proceed is a concern.
    Being in a yard i don't have a table saw to get my prefect clean sharp straight edges.
    It'll have to be, cut oversize, fix and glue in place, sand back to straight, cover with beading. I love the 'cover with beading', it's my get out of jail card in every instance.

    Hinging the locker doors is problematic. the outside faces of that coaming are subtely curved. Also rake inboard as they go aft. If i build coaming around the locker aperture, the coaming will jam as the door is opened/closed. So some thinking to be done.
    The original locker doors, the outboard edge was squared to the seat face - but this took a chunk out of the capacity of the opening. With bigger drains I'll be eating that capacity away - I want to win some back by pushing the hinges against the coaming.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    In the hot water section, Rick?
    Yes.

    Rick

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    My sister swears by her jet boil (google it) for camping. It packs up small and boils a cup of water super quick. I think they have different sizes depending on how much you want to boil. you can buy them from most big camping stores.
    It's also what a lot of solo offshore races use to boil water for freeze dried / rehydrated food. You can buy a hanging holder which make is usable when underway.
    It's on my wish list for my boat. I just have one of those single burner butane $20 camping stoves in my boat (it came with the original metho stove which scared me a bit)
    We only cook at anchor (not doing long passages) so it just sits on the galley bench. boils the kettle pretty quick for a cupa in the morning and can be used in the cockpit as long as there isn't any wind.
    In a funny way I have ended up using the above camping stove at home as the electric stove in our rental is so hopeless.

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    Yeah - thats my thinking.
    Though, i think we use the camping stove so much, because its more convenient than the kero stove we probably won't use the kero at all. So then, whats the point of reinstalling it.

    Spilt some kero on the garage floor last night, a third of a cup full maybe, the smell permeated the house instantly, to the chagrin of all inhabitants.
    Filling the stove onboard is really tricky, kero will be spilt - so that smell is a consideration too.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    I'm doing my cockpit now too. Mine us easy. Just a new floor. And no locker lids. Eveything is solid. In fact I suppose I started a while back as the deck forms the cockpit seats. Still haven't decided whether I'll add new cockpit sides/coamings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Yeah - thats my thinking.
    Though, i think we use the camping stove so much, because its more convenient than the kero stove we probably won't use the kero at all. So then, whats the point of reinstalling it.

    Spilt some kero on the garage floor last night, a third of a cup full maybe, the smell permeated the house instantly, to the chagrin of all inhabitants.
    Filling the stove onboard is really tricky, kero will be spilt - so that smell is a consideration too.

    The other thought I had been toying around with was just getting a webber style BBQ instead of a stove.
    Then it would be a lot easier to cook outside so the cabin doesn't warm up ect. It is the big down fall of the cheap stoves that any wind kills the flame.
    You can get camping stoves with wind guards but your almost at what a cheap BBQ would be at that stage.
    Not sure how that would affect the cupa making.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Yeah - thats my thinking.
    Though, i think we use the camping stove so much, because its more convenient than the kero stove we probably won't use the kero at all. So then, whats the point of reinstalling it.

    Spilt some kero on the garage floor last night, a third of a cup full maybe, the smell permeated the house instantly, to the chagrin of all inhabitants.
    Filling the stove onboard is really tricky, kero will be spilt - so that smell is a consideration too.

    The other thought I had been toying around with was just getting a webber style BBQ instead of a stove.
    Then it would be a lot easier to cook outside so the cabin doesn't warm up ect. It is the big down fall of the cheap stoves that any wind kills the flame.
    You can get camping stoves with wind guards but your almost at what a cheap BBQ would be at that stage.
    Not sure how that would affect the cupa making.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Still haven't decided whether I'll add new cockpit sides/coamings.
    Maybe some choice pieces of beautiful big rich hardwood. Just laid in place.
    Have you got winches that come off your coaming?
    Is she wet when pointing up? Coaming is handy for keeping the wash out of the cockpit.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Is a furniture grade appearance what you want? Sometimes beauty can be created by focussing on solid and functional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Small boats rock View Post
    Is a furniture grade appearance what you want? Sometimes beauty can be created by focussing on solid and functional.
    Thats what i like to hear!

    I think that's right.
    I just flirted with panic for a moment.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    This is a great thread Gypsy!
    Always reading, seldom anything worthy to contribute beyond,
    Great Boat Stuff, Gypsy Old Chap !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Maybe some choice pieces of beautiful big rich hardwood. Just laid in place.
    Have you got winches that come off your coaming?
    Is she wet when pointing up? Coaming is handy for keeping the wash out of the cockpit.
    The old winches were attached to the cockpit coamings. The new ones will be where I put them. She's pretty dry. The odd splash of course but no solid water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    That's a *very* short scarf....
    I do continue to wonder if i should have gone further on those scarfs - until i saw this.
    forward to about 19mins.



    Admittedly, his mating surfaces meet really very beautifully. Just wow.....
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    The wonders of epoxy

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I do continue to wonder if i should have gone further on those scarfs - until i saw this.
    forward to about 19mins.



    Admittedly, his mating surfaces meet really very beautifully. Just wow.....
    Maybe the camera angles are deceptive, but your scarphs looked like 2:1 at best, and Leo's look like at least 4:1. I am in awe of the precision of his woodwork, and he makes it look so damn easy!
    But as you said, what you have now is better than what you had before.

    Edited - sorry, that comes across as a bit pi$$y, it's not intended that way.

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    maybe 3:1
    What struck me was that the scarf was only one plank width. He didn't cross over multiple planks, and cut out existing fasteners, as a long scarf would require.
    Which is what I was thinking.

    I didn't read that as pithy at all
    I welcome the conversation, helps me think it through.

    Currently i'm trying to build a defense to my congnitive dissonance, regarding the scarfs. Otherwise i won't be able to put it in the water - or put my family onboard.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Your scarfs are adding strength to what was already strong enough to be stable. Relax!

    Cheers,
    John.

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    Hasn't sunk yet.

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    True, what could possibly go wrong.


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    Could you laminate some strips to the side of the frame? Is that a thing?

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    If really necessary, copper, bronze or aluminium strap on top would be more of a thing. But I think if I was worried, I'd just glue on another couple of laminates spanning the scarf.

    Rick

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    Got my fuel lines sorted and turned her over.
    Happy camper.



    That video kicked in just after the first start, it catches the second start.
    First one, the engine turned over maybe three times and fired up. As you can see, after that a thing of joy.

    Later i ran it again and it spluttered and stopped. This happened maybe three times so i left it rest.
    Came back to it after lunch and she fired up perfectly - i am thinking there would have been air in the system from it sitting on the shelf doing nothing for weeks/months.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Fantastic!

    Well done.

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    Thanks mate - feels good.
    T
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    No fuel leaks! No oil leaks! Clean bilge!
    Good to go!!

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    Very nice.I give mine a spray with lanolin and a loving wipe with a clean cloth from time to time to try and keep it pretty.

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    Phwaauuuggghhhh! I could almost be persuaded that engines are a good idea! She looks so sparkling clean.

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    I'm not able to express how nice it is to have a motor that just starts.
    Small Boats, if you want a really good reason NOT to have a motor, i have a 33hp westerbeke going for free.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Motor sounds great!

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    just had a thought, i wonder what the nearly 100kg lighter weight will do to the waterline.....?
    Probably very little in an 8tn boat.
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    My new deck has lifted the boat maybe an inch.

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    It was supposed to go on top of the boat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    It was supposed to go on top of the boat!

    Rick
    Oh bugger. Now you tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    I'm not able to express how nice it is to have a motor that just starts.
    Small Boats, if you want a really good reason NOT to have a motor, i have a 33hp westerbeke going for free.
    Thanks for the offer but I already spent years living with a one pot 7hp Volvo which was enough to convince me. She had a manual crank start to back up the electric start. I had to fool with both every time she wanted starting. Having said that, she never missed a beat when needed.

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    Just a quick look at the fuel connections that took me so long to sort out. 2 of these.
    They are annealed copper. The soft copper is preferred because it doesn't crack due to vibrations.

    IMG_5773.jpg

    The hex fitting is the part that came with the boat - it had a nice little plug that fit snuggly inside it and kept the fuel line sealed.

    My search was for the copper tube and the olives.

    Here they are installed.

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    Upside down...... probably still makes sense.
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