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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    The other nefarious and sneaky engine stopper is a blocked exhaust elbow.


    Would that stop it from firing up?
    Worth a mention is there is exhaust fumes, no excessive smoke. When turning it over it does seem to be burning what fuel is injected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
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    Did better than that - I replaced the entire deck!



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    This is too cool! Last Spring while in Auckland we went to the Maritime Museum (Because that's what I do!) and I saw a boat that caught my eye. Made a note of the TASMAN SEABIRD and looked it up when I finally got WiFi.
    And now I finally make it into the B/R forum and VOILA!
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    Welcome Dave, glad to have you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Would that stop it from firing up?
    Worth a mention is there is exhaust fumes, no excessive smoke. When turning it over it does seem to be burning what fuel is injected.


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    Absolutely, symptoms,.. gradually weaker power output over a period of time ,progressively harder to start. One day they don't start.
    Some boats have ball or gate valves on the exhaust outlet so they can shut off the exhaust in a seaway. That's worth checking too if you have one.
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    .....may have been mentioned before but could there possibly be an engine de mobiliser / anti theft kill switch that has been inadvertently engaged?
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    It doesn't have an anti-theft switch. But it does have a trip instead of a fuse.
    When the switch trips it kills the elctrics so the starter motor doesn't run over.

    Got a new fuel feed pump - but it was faulty...... arghhh!
    Ordered another new one and returning the faulty one.

    Will check the exhaust elbow for a blockage next time i'm at the yard. Hopefully this weekend.

    Its now worth me thinking about other 'yard' work i can do.
    The cockpit is the last place now letting in rain water. The drains on the lockers are truly bad - I just don't know what the builder was thinking. Or maybe they did work once upon a time but its hard to see how.
    I'm of a mind to pull out the whole set up and build from scratch, but i am also reluctant to lose the last of the teak work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    The other nefarious and sneaky engine stopper is a blocked exhaust elbow.
    I tried a working version of the higher pressure lift pump and no joy.
    I popped off the water feed to the mixing elbow and there is no blockage. I turned the mtor over and filled the cockpit lockers with stinky fumes.

    which annoys me - if its burning fuel to make those fumes, how come its not firing up......?
    The only thing i can think is injector pump not vapourising/pressurising the fuel enough.
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    Start ya bastard. Give it a good squirt and keep squirting for a while. Rev the bejeezus out of it.

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    Tried it.
    it gave off an alarming rattle after a while.
    Also tried WD40 which is meant to work - it's just kero i believe.

    Neither even gives a cough now.
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    Not good.

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    Greetings,

    Just read through this thread today, really learned a lot. Thanks for all of the photos! WBF at it's best!

    Ironic how a petroleum contraption can mess up a natural carriage. Will be watching your journey closely! So much to learn!

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    Valves? Worth a look if you havent already. I always thought that as they wear valves would just not open quite as much, but they can do exactly the opposite, they hammer away into the valve seat, and eventually dont close properly. So it might be worth removing the valve cover and checking that all the tappets do actually tap.

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    Yep, valves is on my list of suspects.
    Clogged injectors too.

    getting the top on and of the motor is no picnic, so first preference is to get a mechanic in with some tools to pressure test.
    Also, if i get the chance before, I'll try and pull an injector. They were locked in solid when i tried the last time. The mechanic can bench test the injector.

    Over the phone, mechanics thinking is blocked injectors. He knows the motor and says it could easily happen to all four simultaneously. Four sets of valves going kaput at the same time might be a bit further into unlikely though.
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    Hey Eric,
    Welcome. Hope your move is going okay.
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    Do you have a quote for head reco, injector reco, pump reco?
    At some stage it may get close to the cost of a new motor???

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    A mate put a new beta 30hp in his timber bay cruiser last year.
    He'd been having nonstop issues with an old yanmar since he bought the boat.
    He did the instal himself and did the whole thing including a new prop (old one was too big for the new motor I believe) for under 12k I think.
    He now cruises at 7knt up from 5knts with the old motor.
    He also got about 1k for the old motor as well.

    I've got a beta 20 in my h28, it would be nearly 20 years old with 500h on the clock. As long as your service it regularly it runs like a dream. It's a pretty simple motor but has a few good features such as an oil spout on top of the motor to pump the old oil out for a service.
    A few of us where trying to convince him to go electric with large solar panels but he wanted a put put engine. I wouldn't mine putting an electric in mine with a small genset if I ever have to do a motor replacement



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    Thanks for that insight James.
    I am erring on the side of Beta. No engine will be perfect in all things, but a record of being strong and reliable in real life is a good endorsement.
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geftb View Post
    Do you have a quote for head reco, injector reco, pump reco?
    At some stage it may get close to the cost of a new motor???
    Haven't got a quote, but the assessment of the mechanic, who is considered a good one by my yard-mates, is even then the components are old and general condition of the motor is poor. Even with reconditioned bit, the other bits will fail sometime soon.

    Even diesel motors die at some point.
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