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    Wasn't Gregor essentially ordered off - if he stayed and got in trouble he'd be charged with "recklessness" ?? Certainly looks under good control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    Wasn't Gregor essentially ordered off - if he stayed and got in trouble he'd be charged with "recklessness" ?? Certainly looks under good control.
    Yeah I wondered but don’t know for sure. The organizers in their press release used words like “he requested” and “we support his decision” so maybe it was his call. It also sounded like he was pretty shaken.

    As to the Indian Navy conmmiting their resources to attempt a salvage of Tomy’s boat. Right I also doubt the US Navy would do this either J.Madison. But I am not sure it’s an apples to apples comparison. I don’t know who funded the build of the boat. But my feeling is that it might of been the Navy or government, as a national campaign.
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    I don't think he was ordered off. I think I read that he decided that it would be more prudent to go with the rescuers as they were already there rather than take the risk of calling them out again if his jury rig failed, as his engine was also kaput by then.

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    These may not be race boats, but they are still racing.
    How many racers will lay ahull in 40 knots o breeze and read a book?
    I've often said that my boats( 34' venus ketch) best point of sail is "no sail".
    It's what she does best. No sea anchor or drogue. She slowly moves forward on a close reach.
    What kind of modern "plumbing" do these boats use for spars?
    (i should a put this on the rant thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    Trying to make a rig strong enough to survive impact of water when sails are set would make for overly heavy rig, if not built from exotics. .
    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    These may not be race boats, but they are still racing.
    How many racers will lay ahull in 40 knots o breeze and read a book?
    I've often said that my boats( 34' venus ketch) best point of sail is "no sail".
    It's what she does best. No sea anchor or drogue. She slowly moves forward on a close reach.
    What kind of modern "plumbing" do these boats use for spars?
    (i should a put this on the rant thread)

    I believe I have my facts correct here, Moitessier had telephone poles for masts.

    Nice to here that Venus does great under poles. Another nod to ketches as open ocean rigs. Maybe not the fastest or highest pointers, but practical and good steerage. Feel free to correct me here Bruce.
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    I think it has more to do with my boats hull shape, than the rig. Heavy, true double ender (not canoe stern). Although I feel pretty good about solid pole spars.
    Boats with overhangs get in trouble in severe weather, especially long transoms.

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    I think it was a bit more than 40 knots. This boat is a double ender yeah? but the opening message says she was built light. I wonder if there building light to make her faster ended in her downfall. ???

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    Oh fer sure they had more than 40.
    I AM the guy who surrenders early to the sea to save wear and tear and for safety. Racers do not.
    I am suggesting that PUSHING the boat, ANY boat, is what makes them unsafe,(assuming one has sea room).

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    I've never been in more than 40. Plenty of 30. I'm just trying to understand so that if ever I end up in 60-70 knots I have some sort of plan.. I'm thinking seat belt/Harness in the bunk so if you do get rolled it lessens the chance of an injury such as the Indian gentleman suffered.
    Good to see him safe!

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    Wow - those pictures look insane - that book is coming along nicely....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagos View Post
    and 0 weather routing/support to avoid weather systems allowed, even if the boats were fast enough to get out of the way. The indian navy got a photo of the boat
    I dunno how he did not lose the bowsprit. Look at how poorly it is attached in the first pic in post #1. Got a bolt going THROUGH the sampson post and a big hole in the middle for the stem to pass through. And no mainstay that I can see.(stay going to the stem itself)

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    " I'm thinking seat belt/Harness in the bunk so if you do get rolled it lessens the chance of an injury such as the Indian gentleman suffered." [#44]

    Good to have something in mind. One excellent off-shore book I was reading says "Think inverted!" Like where will the batteries end up if they are not properly secured?

    What will open up. In the days after his rollover, Sir Francis Chichester faced a growing stench that took him a week to track down. It appears that as Gipsy Moth IV went inverted, the hinged floorboards in the sole flopped open and a bottle of particularly stinky vitamins (E perhaps?) shattered into the bilge. As Gipsy Moth came up, the floorboards flopped shut again, leaving the vitamins to dissolve in secret.

    Chichester had to reconstruct the events the day after as he cleaned up because he had strapped himself in his berth with a bottle of rum. He was very lucky. A heavy vice (I think it was) had flown from it's locker with Gipsy Moth knocked down. The morning after he found the thing in his berth next to his head and there was a big impact dent in the overhead right above. Could have been a far worse headache.

    G'luck

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    In my only knockdown, bird seed went into the bilge. What a stinky mess that was about 6 days later!

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    Meanwhile the leader of the race Jean-Luc Van Den Heede is moving right along. Well ahead of the rest, who are stuck in low wind zones. At 73 Jean-Luc is an inspiration for what is possible. The ETA referred to below is for a required film drop in Tasmania.

    In a satellite call to Race HQ today, the 73-year old Frenchman reported: "All Good, had a good week and good winds. Since this morning i have had 15 knot headwinds from the SE so am close hauled, and can't go more south at the moment. No major nor minor probleme. ETA: 3 - 4 days depending on the wind direction changing soon or not."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt young View Post
    Meanwhile the leader of the race Jean-Luc Van Den Heede is moving right along. Well ahead of the rest, who are stuck in low wind zones. At 73 Jean-Luc is an inspiration for what is possible. The ETA referred to below is for a required film drop in Tasmania.

    In a satellite call to Race HQ today, the 73-year old Frenchman reported: "All Good, had a good week and good winds. Since this morning i have had 15 knot headwinds from the SE so am close hauled, and can't go more south at the moment. No major nor minor probleme. ETA: 3 - 4 days depending on the wind direction changing soon or not."

    Looks like he has now been there, done that thing, and got the T shirt:

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    Well my wooden horse is out of the race. But I have enjoyed this non-the-less. It has been a hard go, down to 6 competitors. I was really into Jean-Luc. He he ran away with the race early on, got pitchpolled, and the was able to get the rig back together. Impressive! But he lost me when he said he was moving to Chichester class, called his wife(not allowed in first class), and then asked to be put back in first class. With a 18 hour penalty, whitch at that time he was 1,500 miles ahead so not a big deal. I wonder what the opinions on this are here? But now as he is slowed down a bit, Mark Slats just might catch him as they battle up the Atlantic. If he does, it will be quite a catch-up. This will be good to watch.

    And I was really excited about Suise Goodall’s work, she was charging along just fine through some tough conditions. Then she also got pitchpolled and her boat done in. Very happy she is fine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt young View Post
    Well my wooden horse is out of the race. But I have enjoyed this non-the-less. It has been a hard go, down to 5 competitors. I was really into Jean-Luc. He he ran away with the race early on, got pitchpolled, and the was able to get the rig back together. Impressive! But he lost me when he said he was moving to Chichester class, called his wife(not allowed in first class), and then asked to be put back in first class. With a 18 hour penalty, whitch at that time he was 1,500 miles ahead so not a big deal. I wonder what the opinions on this are here? But now as he is slowed down a bit, Mark Slats just might catch him as they battle up the Atlantic. If he does, it will be quite a catch-up. This will be good to watch.

    And I was really excited about Suise Goodall’s work, she was charging along just fine through some tough conditions. Then she also got pitchpolled and her boat done in. Very happy she is fine!
    Yea, It seems to me that a phone call is such an arbitrary violation. I don't understand why it would be a disqualifying action. But, I suppose there are reasons and rules are rules.
    It certainly does not diminish what he, and all the participants, have, and are, doing.

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    I agree what Jean-Luc is very impressive indeed. Yes placing a phone call in this day and age is a harmless act. But the GGR is trying to recreated, somewhat, the original race situation. No one else is placing calls to loved ones.
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    This is some footage and information on DHL Starlight and Susie Goodall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt young View Post
    I agree what Jean-Luc is very impressive indeed. Yes placing a phone call in this day and age is a harmless act. But the GGR is trying to recreated, somewhat, the original race situation. No one else is placing calls to loved ones.
    It would be easy to get updated info about storms, wind directions, velocities, and other course conditions in a short phone call/data transmission. That's why it's forbidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Oh fer sure they had more than 40.
    I AM the guy who surrenders early to the sea to save wear and tear and for safety. Racers do not.
    I am suggesting that PUSHING the boat, ANY boat, is what makes them unsafe,(assuming one has sea room).
    While understand the temptetaion or necessity by a singlehanded racers to keep the boat moving fast under Windvane in deterioting conditions ,once the wind starts piping up over forty it’s time to slow things down.
    Contraily to a larger fully crewed ocean racing yacht that with experienced helmsmen can still keep moving with a degree of safety at high speeds , a smaller vessel under Windvane will happily surf down a breaker resulting in a broach or sail itself into a big hole formed by a series of bad wave combinations both resulting in knockdowns. Been there and done that.

    Good to hear Susie is OK.

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    Its been great to follow the Facebook feed with all the updates.

    I cannot imaging just how much of a challenge this has been, you have to be a very strong soul to bear this one out, so my respects to all who have taken on the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbgarr View Post
    It would be easy to get updated info about storms, wind directions, velocities, and other course conditions in a short phone call/data transmission. That's why it's forbidden.
    Right certainly part of of the reason. They do allow unlimited radio communication with whomever they can reach. This has included getting a fix on their position from the other vessel, sometimes the other vessels would get the competitors exact position off the race tracker website, then relay it back to them. Mid race the added this to the prohibited rule list. The race isn’t keeping track of their conversations, but private radio operators are listing in and they have been, unsolicited, been informing the race on the goings on. It is pretty interesting to watch all this experiment unfold, one foot in the past one in the now.

    One thing has come to my mind. I can see even one way communication being comforting. As they can send out texts, tweets, and such. When we do this even without a two exchanged, it is comforting knowing that someone is receiving the message. A big difference from the first GGR.

    And yes, a good race. What a feat, a serious amount of solo sailing!! Rounding Brazil’s Cabo Branco and racing back to France.
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    For those who may be interested. The 2 leaders are about to finish, tomorrow and Saturday UTC. Still 3(out of 17) more in the race. The last is still some 700 nm from Cape Horn, after 211+ days.
    This is a pretty good re-cap of things up till last month from 00:45 to 11:50 ,..

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    Thanks! I have to admit, I'd forgotten all about it!

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    I think it has a been a fun race to follow. It’s impressive how close Slats got to Jean Luc after being, what about 1,500 miles behind!
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    Yes, brilliant effort! That World Sailing Show is a terrific resource! I hadn't seen it before - thanks! I found out from it that the new GP race is on in Sydney in a couple of weeks. I might see if I can get down there to watch it. Not my favourite sort of boat at all but it should be exciting to see, especially as it's the first race of these boats.

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    Tough Men and Woman!!! Jeez...

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    As far as I know, no one used a kite as a jury rig, while it seems a good solution to me. I remember a fast trimaran being used as a trial horse/ boat. Does anyone know more about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geftb View Post
    Tough Men and Woman!!! Jeez...
    Yes indeed!!! I cringe thinking about the last boat, Asteria, with Tapio Lehtinen being 700 nm west of Cape Horn after 211 days. And over 7700 more to the finish (out of more then 25,000 nm).!!! Right now, because of the growth on the hull, he is doing 2.3 Knts in 30 Knts of wind, on a broad reach!
    Determined just seems an inadequate word.

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    Extreme stupidity going on. There 50 knots onshore breeze forecasted for the time Mark Slats is due to enter Les Sables, not an easy entrance at the best of times (I've been there)' Entering in those conditions would more than untenable it would be simply suicidal.

    The organiser apparently told him to do it anyway. Slats' shore manager called him on the sat phone and warned him not to try it. Slats is sheltering in La Coruna, and being penalised by the organiser. The organiser is ruling by fiat, he should have set up a ruing decision board

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    The story from Golden Globe Race is a different one...https://goldengloberace.com/stop-pre...nd-mark-slats/
    Seems confusing to me.

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    Seems a shame that this controversy has arisen at this point in Slats' race!

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    From the GoGoR Facebook page...
    "UPDATE: Mark Slats is currently 40 miles off La Coruna and has decided to turn direct for Les Sables d'Olonne and not stop for refuge from an approaching storm. He made a safety call to GGR this afternoon requesting storm information update and then changed plans. Basically the storm is breaking up fast and not now going deep into the Bay of Biscay. GGR has always considered this approaching storm as unpredictable, as it had been subject to substantial change every 12 hours in the preceding 36 hours which suggested it may only become less powerful delaying its arrival in the area of the finish line. This has now proven correct. Mark has 350 miles to run to the finish with an ETA of LATE FRIDAY 1st FEBUARY.The GGR Committee has assessed the evidence surrounding the breach of GGR Notice of Race 3.1.4 Telephone Contact by MARK SLATS and his MANAGER and applied a 36 hour time penalty which would normally be served in a penalty box at sea. However, because of a previous decision not to serve penalties in the Bay of Biscay, on this occasion, the 36 hours will be added to his finish time. A full account of the findings will be published in the next 24 hours."

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    I have been to Les Sables once,by road,it was blowing at least a force six and didn't look like a place I would want to be sailing into on that day.I hope the wind moderates before the leaders arrive.

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