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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    What will you do to mitigate the shrouds pulling the planks apart again, post repairs John?
    There will be twice the frames as before, Martin. Am I missing something?

    One consideration is that the original build lasted over half a century, so I should not be too concerned.
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    Good morning Internet,



    I'd like some aesthetic advice please. The front of our cabin top is very boxy and looks to my eye rather ugly. Reconstructing it is not a realistic option. However, adding a pair of round ports would seem to be a good idea. My feeling is it would improve the looks (as well as ventilation and light - the cabintop roof has a plastic square hatch in it, which has to go). What do you guys think?

    Here's how she looks at present.

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    The Bauer's Ostkust has extensions to the cabin sides, that ta[per down to meet the hatch. I think it's a lovely feature, and should e relatively easy.

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    Thanks Gareth. Actually, that's what she had originally, it turns out.

    More paint stripping and general cleaning up...

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    Mammoth job.
    It’ll look great when you paint it You won’t want to put sole back down

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    Satisfying though isn’t it John!
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    Yes, it is! Daunting, all the same. Stripping stuff is always easier and quicker than putting stuff back... I found that out when I was a small boy.
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    A little more destruction.

    Rivets cut and driven through each side of the broken frames.

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    And through-hulls removed.

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    Quite disconcertingly, after pressure washing the hull to remove paint, this hole appeared. We can’t find the plug. I’m certain it wasn’t there before.

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    A little sanding. Makes one want to varnish the topsides.

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    And some Teredo damage around a fixing. This is why I want to eliminate any loose rivets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    Quite disconcertingly, after pressure washing the hull to remove paint, this hole appeared. We can’t find the plug. I’m certain it wasn’t there before.

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    Builders bog maybe? I’ve seen that used before under the water line and it just crumbled when poked, only the paint had been holding it together from both sides. Where is it located?
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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30’ Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Jaysus. Good spot.

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    That's a powerful pressure washer! Good skill on blasting such a round hole too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Builders bog maybe? I’ve seen that used before under the water line and it just crumbled when poked, only the paint had been holding it together from both sides. Where is it located?
    Next to where the engine sits. Maybe a raw water inlet at some point in the past. Very low in the hull. If that had let go in the water, the pressure (and flow) would have been enormous. I doubt the bilge pumps would have kept up. Shudder!

    BL**DY glad we've got the paint off and the cockpit out, and we can check everything!
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    A 2 inch hole, 3 feet below the water line will let in 20 tonnes an hour.

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    Amazing amount of work done John!
    She's gonna scrub up beautiful.

    You may have mentioned - but what are the woods? I'd be certain that's an aussie hardwood down low..... that intertwined grain.
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    Jarrah below the waterline, probably Oregon above. Karri frames. Those were the standard choices here in WA for carvel construction. The blond wood could of course be something else, but it’s the wrong colour for Huon Pine I think, and I am not aware of any other pine which was used here for planking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    A 2 inch hole, 3 feet below the water line will let in 20 tonnes an hour.
    She is 6.38 tons displacement, so the arithmetic suggests a pretty rapid sinking!
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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30’ Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    boat shed?
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    Yes, Greg, a temp one with a tarp pinned over it. I came up with a super simple easy to build design so that we can put our time into the boat rather than the shelter. A bow shed would be nice but it would require either spending money on timber, or hours on the table saw ripping the stuff I have.

    Edit. Mate just saw ten suitable timber roof trusses on Gumtree for $150. Grrrr.

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    Getting there slowly...

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    Look at that timber. Seems criminal to cover it with paint.

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    Can you get clear anti-foul?

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    Looking good John, as is the boat shed....
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    Come on Greg, the "shed" isn't looking good.

    But it'll do.

    The fork and basket have come in handy. The thing is five metres to the top.

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    Almost ready for the tarp.

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    Wrapped in a TimTam packet, that’s classic!!!
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    Thanks Greg.

    On a more prosaic note, do you or anybody else here have experience with plank edge repair? We have a few to do.

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    Specifically, I would like a description of the process, especially the existing edge prep. Do we need to cut away any of the existing timber, to make a nice clean edge, or can we just scrape it back and glue to it? Also, we have been advised to use a softer timber for the wedge-shaped new edges - Western Red Cedar - rather than use jarrah to match the original plank stock.

    Any advice by people who have actually done this would be warmly welcomed.
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    Are you thinking of splining it or wanting a repair that you can re-caulk?
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    Re-caulking, Greg.
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    Gday John! Epic project in front of you. I hope to be sailing your way next year, I can return the favour and bring you guys out!
    just like to say, you will more than likely get a better response to your question if you start a specific thread for this question. With the right title you will attract the right people. Chat soon mate.

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    Hi Steve, good to hear from you! Did you change mobile numbers?
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    Hi John, That's a daunting task you have there, but Fair Maid is worth it!
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    Nice cover John, I'm envious.
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    Thanks Ian, Trevor.

    All the paint is off the exterior, that’s today’s milestone. Whew!
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    OK, so what do you do if you realise that you have embarked on a 12 month restoration project?

    Well, how about buy another wooden boat, namely a strip planked Viking 30, sheathed in Dynel and epoxy...

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    Broke its mooring, washed up against a jetty and onto the beach, and purchased by a French lady who proceeded to grind off all of the paint below the waterline, as well as sand much of the interior before losing interest. Yanmar starts first kick and runs...

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    Broken rudder, bent bow and stern rails, some damaged stanchions, and a new toe rail required. We will be sailing this summer after all!

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    Mad, bad, or sad, your judgement. But I am happy so sad is out...
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