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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    These should do the job, after a bit of a clean up and a re-seal.

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    Nice.
    I did a job on a couple of oil lamps this week. They'd gone pretty far - shame on me for neglecting them.
    I did; equal parts self raising flour and salt. add vingar until toothpaste consistency. Slather on and leave for 30mins. Really great result. Did the bulk of the work.
    The next day i painted on brasso with a brush, left for 15mins and rubbed off, buffed up - they're sparkling.
    Stoked!

    My forward vent cowl is way forward, about 1 meter abaft the stem. Never gets fouled by the jib or anything else. It vents into the chain locker. There's a vent hole between the chain locker and the vee-berth. Always face forward on the mooring/anchor, facing aft underway - when i remember.
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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    Hoping to get it fitted this weekend, rain permitting.
    Wow that will look awesome,good luck with the weather.

    Regarding forward facing portholes I have them on Wee Barkie and I love them. While I do have to be vigilant in closing them before crossing the Bar, they also provide year round ventilation while at anchor or tied to my mooring with the help of a small vinyl tarp which keeps the rain out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Nice.
    I did a job on a couple of oil lamps this week. They'd gone pretty far - shame on me for neglecting them.
    I did; equal parts self raising flour and salt. add vingar until toothpaste consistency. Slather on and leave for 30mins. Really great result. Did the bulk of the work.
    The next day i painted on brasso with a brush, left for 15mins and rubbed off, buffed up - they're sparkling.
    Stoked!

    My forward vent cowl is way forward, about 1 meter abaft the stem. Never gets fouled by the jib or anything else. It vents into the chain locker. There's a vent hole between the chain locker and the vee-berth. Always face forward on the mooring/anchor, facing aft underway - when i remember.
    Typically airflow in a boat is from aft to forward, so you may do better with the cowl facing aft. There tends to be a low pressure zone behind the prow, and behind the cabin, I suppose.

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    Sporadic rain and the usual chaos, lack of planning, unrealistic expectations, etc. conspired to slow our progress yesterday, but we are getting close to a glue-up.

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    Offcut showing the caulking slightly proud after sanding.

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    Teak marine ply ply for the cabin sides.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    It looks like you're not going to push nails through your teak into your cabin top - but after my very recent experience, be wary of water getting trapped between teak and deck; http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...New-Deck/page2
    Not sure how you avoid it.
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    Don't do a veneer of teak. Sorry but I think faux teak decks are BS.


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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    12mm thick strips, Phil. It’s technically a veneer, I guess, since it’s glued to a sub-deck.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Thanks Gypsie, no nails, and butyl rubber bedding under the fittings. No system is perfect.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Don't do a veneer of teak. Sorry but I think faux teak decks are BS.


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    so Aquinian has been working on his deck for weeks if not months spent thousands and you come in with a comment like that as his glueing it down???
    how is that helpful?
    You don't give any reasons, any ideas to make it better, any potential problems to look out for...
    im guessing it's posts like this why Andrew patrol stopped posting???

    Sorry to interrupt your thread Aquinian. But this needs pointing out. The guy is board or something???

    your obviously spending the time, thought and money on this upgrade. May you get many happy years with it!
    I look forward to seeing it down

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    Thanks Gypsie, no nails, and butyl rubber bedding under the fittings. No system is perfect.
    Sounds good. Any chance of epoxy/glass to the cabin top first? Create a complete impermeable layer between the two? (that would mean epoxy inside too i suppose and then it just gets complicated).
    Maybe i'm being paranoid on your behalf, but when water gets under, and it is prone to do such things, it has no way out - except down.
    But there's a bit of crown there so water will probably run off reliably.

    Drip molding for the edge of the cabin top......
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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Geftb,

    Don't worry about Phil, I think he was just writing too briefly on a phone.

    Gypsie, the cabin top is already coated in some kind of epoxy (probably penetrating epoxy paint like Everdure), but we're going to slather it with epoxy and stick the plastic panel to that, to which our teak is already glued. So, from bottom to top, marine ply, epoxy, pvc sheet, epoxy, teak with TDS caulking between the strips. That's a lot of impermeable layers. Of course, that can be a problem itself - a leak into any single one of them can cause issues that remain invisible until it's too late. My main confidence comes from the astoundingly expensive caulking product, which has an amazing reputation for integrity over decades. http://www.teakdecking.com/index.php...=12&Itemid=133 (From Yacht Grot in Fremantle, the distributor nationally, it's just under $500 per box of sausages (x12) inc. GST).

    I'll also be making sure that any penetrations are well bedded with butyl. Butyl lasts for many decades, at least, without going hard etc., so that's as good as you can get also.

    My deck (as opposed to the cabin top) is glass over ply, and it's a good solid lay-up. It's in great condition, except where leaks have occurred at penetrations for fittings. I've gotten nearly all the deck fittings off and only found two patches of rot, both under the pushpit mounts on the transom, and only one of them is very bad. Both will be easily repaired.

    I've bought enough Burmese teak to lay a plank deck also, but we'll leave that for a year or two. We'll need to template our deck, make the panels, haul out, remove all rigging and deck fittings, glue our deck panels down, then re-fit everything, so it's a massive job. But she was launched with a proper teak deck in 1951, so I think it's worth doing. In the mean time we're going to re-paint the deck with a "canvas" colour.

    Regards,
    John.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Yeah sorry, quick comment on the phone and it came across a bit harsh. I'm a bit over teak over ply decks, because mine needs fixing. I think this will look great. The method is really interesting, never seen that before. I hope it goes well.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Progress. Dutchman in the cabin side.

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    Prepped and applied epoxy sealant to top and sides.

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    Sealing coat to the back of a new teak ply cabin side dress piece.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    The sun disappeared, irritatingly, but we got the cabin front and the port side, and half of the decking fitted.

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    Better pictures when time and sunlight permit!

    Regards,
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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Rot under the pushpit mounts. Previous repair very badly done.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    That looks great. Really terrific.
    Nice one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    That looks great. Really terrific.
    Nice one.
    yes sir!

    jim

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinian View Post
    Rot under the pushpit mounts. Previous repair very badly done.

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    My only advice would be, don't be shy. If you are at good ply 2 inches out, go another 4. It's just as easy to replace a square foot of ply as a few square inches, and those rot spores have a nasty habit of travelling through ply. Make your cuts at a 45 or so degree angle, so the patch has physical,support as well as just epoxy. Belt and braces. Love those multi tools, but the blades blunt quickly. Gentle pressure, less heat seems to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    My only advice would be, don't be shy. If you are at good ply 2 inches out, go another 4. It's just as easy to replace a square foot of ply as a few square inches, and those rot spores have a nasty habit of travelling through ply. Make your cuts at a 45 or so degree angle, so the patch has physical,support as well as just epoxy. Belt and braces. Love those multi tools, but the blades blunt quickly. Gentle pressure, less heat seems to help.

    Thanks Phil, I intended to re-cut with angles to form scarfs, as you suggest. The initial aim was to get the soft wood out and see what is under there. The advice to cut more than less is well taken! I'll go out another few inches each side.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Half a day on the boat...

    Daylight photos of last week’s work.

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    Ready for for a dutchman.

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    Hey, it fits!

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    Tried a creative clamping solution using the tiller, and managed instead to lift the rudder off its gudgeons...

    Had to move the boat close to shore, strip off, and spend twenty long, grunting minutes wrestling it back on. Won’t make that mistake again.

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    That's funny! Thanks for sharing.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    OK, got most of our deck fittings re-bedded with butyl rubber and the safety fence re-installed, so our fenders again have somewhere to hang... and went for a sail.

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    My favourite spot on the boat. Just a glorious place to sit and enjoy the motion and sights, especially the sweep of the gunnels.

    And in other news, the old fore-hatch cover was just too heavy, not to mention ugly. So, while we're butchering teak, let's see what my mate can do with some of that and a few strips of jarrah for highlights.

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    Roughly assembled with some pieces of 10mm safety glass which were sitting around.

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    The plan is to fit strips of jarrah in each of the joints as well. Should be pretty spectacular.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Wow! Excellent joinery. Don’t make it so pretty you’re afraid to scuff it

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Wish it were my joinery.

    All of the clever stuff is being done by my friend, who is a pretty competent amateur wood butcher.

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    It will indeed

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    Oh my.

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    That's a lovely shot!

    The hatch looks fantastic - your friend does lovely work!

    All looking good - great progress!

    Your teak strips application process is unusual, that's for sure and I look forward to seeing how it goes. As long as the bond to the PVC membrane is good, I see no reason why it shouldn't work or why it should be penetrated. One thing to consider though is that fawn colours don't get hot under the sun but grey does get very hot. Step onto a grey teak deck on a sunny day and you'll find it too hot to stand or sit on. So the challenge becomes how to keep the new teak looking new? You could sand it every year but then it'll wear out too soon. You could add one of many oils to it but none if them actually work and will damage the teak. The only thing that I know of that might work is a really good, UV inhibiting 2-pack finish like Awlwood. Teak doesn't actually take finishes very well but I'm led to believe that Awlwood lasts pretty well on it.

    Saltwater is, of course, the best teak preserver but it doesn't stop it going grey. I guess if I were you, I'd probably keep it all well scrubbed with saltwater to limit mould and grime and then see his it is when it turns grey. If it gets too hot, which I think it will (but hope that it doesn't), then I'd sand it back to clean wood and hit it with Awlwood (or similar (except I don't know of anything similar)).

    Good luck!

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    Thanks Rick, still pondering what to do with the decking, but I looked up the Awlwood product and it looks fantastic. Will definitely use it on the cabin sides.

    In the mean time, we secured a pen (at a different club). Sailed around to it this afternoon. What a delightful evening!

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    And the hatch, making everything else look very tired!

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    Default Re: Fair Maid, 30 Eric Cox sloop, 1951

    Sailing on Sunday. This is downwind, with no sail trimming effort, just main and genny.

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