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    Mad and happy can be a kinda nice place to be............. and you are certainly mad . But good on you John, I’ll look forward to seeing what you do with her.
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    Makes sense to me - but then I'm a little strange myself...

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    A second boat, one that needs a bit of work even, is exactly what I would do in those circumstances. Excellent plan!
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    NICE! I'd be excited, too!

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    Thanks guys.

    Boat arrived Friday. By Saturday afternoon we had the toe rails off, which was necessary because they are aluminium, industrial looking things that were bolted every few inches down through the clamp, a recipe for rot. Didn’t find any serious rot, but very glad to have them off to be sure, and to replace them with something more attractive. I am thinking a laminated timber one.

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    The remnants of the rudder. I’m thinking that a styrene plug jammed up into what’s left, then shaped up and heavily glassed will be the quickest solution.

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    We also dropped the keel to check the bolts. A lot of extra work but worth it. She was built in 1979. (A Miller design - Miller changed his name to Ben Lexcen, and designed Australia II. Not a pretty boat, but beamy and good offshore.)

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    Bolts look great, which is a relief. The entire keel is lead. We cut the fillet around the hull interface to get it to move. It wasn’t going anywhere otherwise.
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    NICE! No wings on the keel, though, right? Some 6mm ply and a handfulla bolts'll see that rudder right

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    She looks like a tidy wee boat there; rudder and then some superficial damage - a lick of paint, and she'll be tops!
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    Almost, except that we did find rot, in the transom. So the outer sheathing, plus most of the timber, is now gone, and we'll rebuilding it. Shouldn't take too long.


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    One thing that's absolutely amazing is the interior volume of this old girl. It's astounding. Will easily sleep seven adults. I can't believe it has the caravan style seating area to port, a wide corridor, and still room for another berth on the starboard side. Huge beam!

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    That turns into this (two adults):

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    Plus this (2 adults):
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    Plus this (starboard main cabin):

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    Plus two quarter berths.

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    Other quarter berth:

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    Keel bolts.

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    Got to be happy with that. 50 years young.
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    WOW! That's excellent! May they stay that way for another ​50 years!

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    Nice to see some good news John. That’s gotta inspire a bit of confidence
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    Yep, and on the positive front, destructing has ceased and constructing commenced.

    Keel is bolted back up and timber is going in to the transom.

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    Wow, 50 years and not even any pitting. Remarkable.
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    Yes, Trevor, although it's 40 years (1978-9) - my error saying 50. They are massive bolts too - 1.5" nuts.

    Transom ready for a ply skin.

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    Cmon John I’m disappointed you’re not working on your first love , just the young cumupance. You need some v...ra

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    Twin exhausts???
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    Exhaust, two manual bilge pumps (one operated from the cockpit, one under the sole downstairs), plus the cockpit drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Donald View Post
    Cmon John I’m disappointed you’re not working on your first love , just the young cumupance. You need some v...ra
    Andrew, this afternoon I bought a bunch of supplies for the old gal. She's on the slow road, but she isn't stationary.
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    Found out more of the story of this boat. Pictures tell it nicely...

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    The owner of the time tells me if he'd known it was available, he'd have bought it back in a flash. Asked if I would sell it to him. I said, yeah, probably, next summer. He asked me to keep his number. This might work out very smoothly!

    Also, it turns out that the bottom part of the rudder, the blade, which broke off when she was wrecked, washed up in the winter storms (a year later!) and a bloke down at Bunbury has it stored. He said come and grab it. So that will save a load of work.
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    Very cool to have a little history, and the boat looks sound, I feel sure you'll be sailing in the relatively near future! But, as a social/boat/ people/ process question: How in the pluperfect He*l did you come to know that somebody down the coast had your broken-off rudder bit? I'm assuming there were no roadside billboard nor radio ads broadcasting the loss and need...you really must share that part of the story, if you can (names changed to protect the innocent/guilty as needed, of course).
    Really appreciating your story here, both Fair Maid and the stand-in...

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    'VERY lucky boat - they way that wind blows ashore over there it was an incredible stroke of luck that she didn’t come in a few metres north when she broke her mooring.
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    The rudder washed up at the club. The club told the old owner. I was tracking down previous owners to get a decent photo of her out of the water so I could shape up the foam I bought to make a new rudder blade, and what do you know...

    Anybody want to buy a sheet of high density epoxy friendly foam?

    Greg, she did hit the groyne, which damaged the bow rail (on a fence on the groyne) and chipped some chunks out of the stem, but the club commodore and some other members were down there in the middle of the night and tied her back away from the rocks and saved her. So hardly any damage in the end. Still a 100% insurance write off it turned out, don’t ask me how.

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    We found some rot on the port side...

    But nearly fixed now.

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    Fairing...

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    Decided not to ply the transom, but instead laid two layers of 1135g/sqm woven glass (yes, 40oz or so) in epoxy. I reckon it's possibly actually bulletproof now.

    First layer on.

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    And with the second layer and some fairing compound.

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    John, how was it wetting out that glass, any tricks to pass on? I’ve often wondered about using heavy glass

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    wow, youre flying...

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    Well, I didn't personally do it, so I can't speak from direct experience, but I watched, and I would summarise it as, loads of epoxy, and roll it up to three times to ensure that it's wet right through, compressed well, and any air squeezed out. But not really any different to any other glass, it seems to me.

    Amazing stuff, however, incredibly dense and thick.
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    Progress report.

    Rudder half arrived.

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    Re-united, kind of...

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    OK, so we decided to split the halves down the centre, and ground out lots of bog and old fibreglass, which was delaminated throughout. In the end, what we had was a shape, a skin form, which was sufficient to provide what amounted to a mould.

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    Fitted new stringers, laminated from Karri.

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    Next step, glass in the stringers, and give the two halves back some real strength.

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    And now, glued together, and wrapped in a new layer of 40 oz glass cloth and epoxy. That's shrink wrap around it to keep it clean. The glass isn't that rough!

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    In other news, we decided not to replace the toe rail. We can always add one later, if we keep the boat. In the mean time, we ground everything down for a few inches down the topsides and along the deck edge, and wrapped a strip of 40oz biax around it. Stronger than new!

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    Cheers,
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    Well that'll ​be Hell for stout! Looking great!

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    Rudder done. Like a new one! (Well, basically it is a new one.)

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    We've also been right through the electrical circuits, which were mostly good, and replaced anything dodgy. For cabin lighting, we decided to go with the standard round chromed dome lights with the toggle switch, but we've removed the standard globe setup and replaced it with a four-LED patch. The standard 140mm lights are $25, and the LED version $60. So ours are half price.

    Should have the glassing on the hull completed today, then it's fairing and painting.

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    We'll put some glass over that fillet at the keel join, just to be sure to be sure.
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    Big decision to make about the deck hardware. Do we pull it all off to make a great paint job, or mask around it all and save a heap of time? I think I know what I will do already, but it's a daunting task! There are a LOT of deck fittings!

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    There's a lot of stuff on that deck no doubt, but you know you'll feel better if you pull it off and re-bed it. Probably easier than fiddle fartin' around trying to mask around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willin woodworks View Post
    There's a lot of stuff on that deck no doubt, but you know you'll feel better if you pull it off and re-bed it. Probably easier than fiddle fartin' around trying to mask around it.
    I have to agree. It'll be one of those "glad I did it" things - once it's done. As said - masking would take a bunch of time too & knowing they're all bedded properly will be good. Checking fastener quality/condition can't hurt either.
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