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    Standing next to May, Trump opened the event by saying the interview he had given to the British tabloid newspaper the Sun, in which he criticised May’s handling of Brexit and threatened to kill a prospective US-British trade deal, was “fake news”.

    Trump had done so, and the Sun had audio tape to prove it. But for the president, when he uses the term “fake news”, it does not only mean news whose accuracy he questions; it also means any news that is negative for him.

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    This guy is unbelievable. Has there ever been a bigger more blatant liar on the planet ever?
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    The absolute worst bottom feeding slime worm on the planet and we elect him to represent us. I’m so ashamed.

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    I'll cut him some slack here. It took a whole day for him to change his story. Blame it on memory.

    He's done it in the same sentence before.
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    The paper failed to say what nice things he said about the PM. When the editor refuted that and said the paper did, he just said "OKAY then". Then, after a pause, was it in the headline?

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    I'd say that 45 is not a liar. A liar is one who knowingly tells falsehoods -- he knows what he's saying is false. With 45, the consensus seems to be that as words leave his mouth, he believes that what he is saying is the truth. Doesn't matter how his words jibe with reality. I'd call it a mental disorder.
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    He has one, if not a couple, clinically defined personality disorders. He is neither mentally nor morally fit to be president. Perhaps it is wishful thinking but I think his behavior is making a legitimate case for impeachment. To be on an important international stage and then lie... and then lie about the lie when he had to know that he would be caught immediately is the rationale of a mentally ill person. Everyone should be worried about his meeting with Putin.
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    Isla did you actually listen to Trump at the press conference?

    Did you actually read the White paper and its analysis?

    I dont think you did either.

    Adhering to EU regs with the May's "common rule book" on goods and agriculture means that we can't import products that don't meet EU standards in case they end up in the EU, if we are to agree an open border.

    That means a 'trade deal' with the USA to supply us with cheap food etc wont happen because of their chlorinated chicken, gm crops, and use of growth promoters in beef farming for instance which doesnt meet EU standards.

    Hence Trump was correct in his assumption, that May's plan would hinder a trade deal that was being lined up. A trade deal to help USA exports, jobs and wealth. He rowed back a bit after actually talkig to her and the UK trade department, who thinking something might be workable.

    May is trying to convince people or spin it, that a trade deal will be possible. It will be possible with services only which is not part of "the common rule book". The UK will say to the EU we will import what we like and it won't go into the EU, but if we want an open border with them on goods and agriculture they will not let us do that: they will insist on border checks...

    You should look at the bigger picture. Your news is fake news. What Trump said was true. The UK current position hinders trade deals with other countries on goods and food. A price of keeping a borderless NI, airbus and BMW happy. It wasn't controversial either, just a compromise of May's plan thats may be our new reality if the EU don't immediately say its unworkable.

    Compare Trump to Obama. Obama was asked by Cameron to say that the UK would be at the back if the que in any trade deal. That was a stupid statement, not in the interests of the US worker by the then President of the USA, a statetment arguably an untruth at the bequest of the UK prime minister for the remain campaign.
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    Trump also told the Sun that Boris would make a better PM than May, then denied it as fake news the next day. The Sun produced a tape which contradicted him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    Isla did you actually listen to Trump at the press conference?

    Did you actually read the White paper and its analysis?

    I dont think you did either.

    Adhering to EU regs with the May's "common rule book" on goods and agriculture means that we can't import products that don't meet EU standards in case they end up in the EU, if we are to agree an open border.

    That means a 'trade deal' with the USA to supply us with cheap food etc wont happen because of their chlorinated chicken, gm crops, and use of growth promoters in beef farming for instance which doesnt meet EU standards.

    Hence Trump was correct in his assumption, that May's plan would hinder a trade deal that was being lined up. A trade deal to help USA exports, jobs and wealth. He rowed back a bit after actually talkig to her and the UK trade department, who thinking something might be workable.

    May is trying to convince people or spin it, that a trade deal will be possible. It will be possible with services only which is not part of "the common rule book". The UK will say to the EU we will import what we like and it won't go into the EU, but if we want an open border with them on goods and agriculture they will not let us do that: they will insist on border checks...

    You should look at the bigger picture. Your news is fake news. What Trump said was true. The UK current position hinders trade deals with other countries on goods and food. A price of keeping a borderless NI, airbus and BMW happy. It wasn't controversial either, just a compromise of May's plan thats may be our new reality if the EU don't immediately say its unworkable.

    Compare Trump to Obama. Obama was asked by Cameron to say that the UK would be at the back if the que in any trade deal. That was a stupid statement, not in the interests of the US worker by the then President of the USA, a statetment arguably an untruth at the bequest of the UK prime minister for the remain campaign.
    Edward, the merits, or otherwise, of May's plan, are not the subject of this thread. This is about Trump giving an interview to the media (The Sun) and making comments about May's plan, then later accusing the Sun of fake news when they reported what he said. This is simply about Trump telling a huge porky in public, which is easily fact-checked and verified. This is about Trump being a lying buffoon.

    I have read the white paper. Its primary fault is that it doesn't call for a complete cancellation of Brexit
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    One of these days one European Premiere or another is going to stand beside Trump at the podium and say something like, "You must realize, Mr President, we certainly liked dealing with your predecessor much more than such a unmitigated ass as yourself".
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    Imagine the reactions if May came over to the US on an official visit, and the day before she was due to meet Trump, told the press that Hillary would have made a better president.
    Trump has not the first idea of how a politician behaves, and shows a lack of respect to everyone..

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    He didn't say Boris would be a better prime minister. Trump said he would make a good prime minister and has what it takes in a discussion about him leaving government. Thats not the same thing. He could have said the same about Gareth Southgate. People dont actually look at what he said. Prople believe what they want to think to suit their own agenda, not arbitarily looking at the facts. Melania could have said the same thing to the kids she met in the school. Does that make it wrong too? Trump heaped praise on May at Chequers, far more than he needed to. He realised a trade deal with the UK was now off the table, and was gracious enough not to labour it, as it would have been damaging to her.
    Boris will be back. There is huge affection for him among conservative voters.

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    Isla, it doesn't really matter if POTUS is Donald Duck. Salute the rank. The USA is supplying us with F35's among other things. Our security and freedom is dependent on an economically strong USA. Steps to maintain that are in our interest, in the bigger picture. Objections to Trump were self indulgent middle class liberal nonsense. Why weren't all those peope at work on Friday? The major allowing the blimp, the protests were a disgrace. It wasn't allowed for the Chinese visit.

    The American people voted for a change of direction with the current American president. They voted for someone who to represent their interests, politically ans economically. That he was voted in, is also a reflection of what came before. The American worker does not benefit from nor were they looking for Jesus. Can you understand that paradigm shift? You might not like Trump, but he says what he thinks, does what he says looking at his form. Thats less common with politicians. He does whats necessary to achieve he result he wants, even if that means stepping on toes. For how many years did we ask Europe to increase defence spending - several decades. The gas pipeline into Germany is politically nieve. The American democratic system can emasculate him at the mid terms if he isn't making the American people happy, then there will be a correction if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson
    Isla, it doesn't really matter if POTUS is Donald Duck. Salute the rank. The USA is supplying us with F35's among other things. Our security and freedom is dependent on an economically strong USA. Steps to maintain that are in our interest, in the bigger picture. Objections to Trump were self indulgent middle class liberal nonsense. Why weren't all those peope at work on Friday? The major allowing the blimp, the protests were a disgrace. It wasn't allowed for the Chinese visit.
    What nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Phoenix View Post
    I'll cut him some slack here. It took a whole day for him to change his story. Blame it on memory.

    He's done it in the same sentence before.
    True that.

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    btw it does matter if the POTUS is Donald Duck or Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    The USA is supplying us with F35's among other things. Our security and freedom is dependent on an economically strong USA. Steps to maintain that are in our interest, in the bigger picture.
    The best reason to increase our defence budget would be to eliminate any reliance on USA-sourced weapons systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    What nonsense.

    Between Nov 20, 1945 and Oct 1, 1946 defendants at Nuremberg were convicted and executed for "saluting the rank" rather than taking principled opposition against their "Donald Duck."
    And then we had Vietnam, and Iraq…………… hasn't happened again. Selective outrage, and selective justice………. and no principles whatever.

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    If you don't like Donald Trump vote him out at your next election. Thats how peacefull democracy works. Until then I take a position of being respectfull to the democratic representative of the majority of 300 million American people wether I agree with him on every issue or not.

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    But I take it you do agree with the convictions in Nuremberg? Your objection is that such trials for war crimes have never been repeated?

    You do agree that "just following orders" and blind loyalty [saluting the rank] is no excuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson
    If you don't like Donald Trump vote him out at your next election. Thats how peacefull democracy works. Until then I take a position of being respectfull to the democratic representative of the majority of 300 million American people wether I agree with him on every issue or not.
    More than half of the U.S. population disrespect this president, and for good reason.

    Salute his rank to your heart's content. I'll refrain and not criticize others for refusing to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkey View Post
    The best reason to increase our defence budget would be to eliminate any reliance on USA-sourced weapons systems.
    But then Isla would be moaning about the cuts in welfare to pay for it. Or we could increase our GDP and tax revenue to pay for it, helped by selling more the USA with a bilateral trade deal, exactly what Trump is offering, and what Obama went out of his way to obstruct. A point no doubt lost on Isla also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post

    Isla, it doesn't really matter if POTUS is Donald Duck. Salute the rank.
    Actually it does. Where I come from respect has to be earned. Trump is no respecter of protocol and continually disrespects other national leaders, including his closest allies. You may have noticed that he didn't 'salute the rank' when he met the Queen. He didn't bow when he met her, then he walked in front of her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    The USA is supplying us with F35's among other things. Our security and freedom is dependent on an economically strong USA. Steps to maintain that are in our interest, in the bigger picture.
    Yes, in our long standing 'special relationship' that is certainly the case. In this new political climate with Trump threatening NATO and cosying up to Putin, who knows?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    Objections to Trump were self indulgent middle class liberal nonsense. Why weren't all those peope at work on Friday? The major allowing the blimp, the protests were a disgrace.
    Objections and protests against Trump, or anybody else, are a legitimate and long accepted part of living in a free democratic state. Perhaps you disagree with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    It wasn't allowed for the Chinese visit.
    Depends what you mean by 'not allowed'. The police were quite heavy handed with pro-Tibet anti-China protesters, pulling down Tibetan flags etc. But the great majority of people gathered that day were China supporters, and they were pretty much allowed to demonstrate wherever they wanted . Disgraceful bias from the Cameron government don't you think?
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    But then Isla would be moaning about the cuts in welfare to pay for it. Or we could increase our GDP and tax revenue to pay for it, helped by selling more the USA with a bilateral trade deal, exactly what Trump is offering, and what Obama went out of his way to obstruct. A point no doubt lost on Isla also.
    Trump can't even get his own story straight about whether there could be a deal or not. In any case he would only be offering an opportunity to be shafted once we have split ourselves off from the protection of the herd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    If you don't like Donald Trump vote him out at your next election. Thats how peacefull democracy works. Until then I take a position of being respectfull to the democratic representative of the majority of 300 million American people wether I agree with him on every issue or not.
    Good for you. I condemn him and his supporters for undermining our institutions of democracy, disrespecting the sacrifices of others, enacting policies designed to inflict suffering on others for campaign talking points and not national security. He has debased the office. He doesn’t represent the majority of the country. He represents himself, that is all.

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    Edward, Trump DID NOT win a majority of votes, HC did! Facts are FACTS!

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    Yes Jamie and it goes further. Since his election Trump has deliberately acted to alienate the majority of Americans who did not want him to be president in the first place.

    Unlike all previous U.S. presidents, Trump's ONLY concern is the continuing adoration by his "base."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Yes Jamie and it goes further. Since his election Trump has deliberately acted to alienate the majority of Americans who did not want him to be president in the first place.

    Unlike all previous U.S. presidents, Trump's ONLY concern is the continuing adoration by his "base."
    Foregone conclusions, anyone with a brain knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    Edward, Trump DID NOT win a majority of votes, HC did! Facts are FACTS!
    He missed that point. It would have been accurate had Trump won more votes than Clinton but he didn't. Just fake news.
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    I would much prefer Donald Duck.

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    Salute the rank.
    One doesn't salute one's servants. He has no rank, outside the military. He holds an office.

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    But then Isla would be moaning about the cuts in welfare to pay for it. Or we could increase our GDP and tax revenue to pay for it, helped by selling more the USA with a bilateral trade deal, exactly what Trump is offering, and what Obama went out of his way to obstruct. A point no doubt lost on Isla also.
    Obama rightly foresaw that the UK would be better off in the EU, rather than the present mess. The suggested 'back of the queue' for a trade deal was an attempt to inject a bit of sanity into the Brexit referendum.
    Sadly it did not work, and Farage and his lying cronies swung the vote.
    So a big objection to Obama's comments, but it is fine for the Stable Genius to say that Boris would make a better pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Pearson View Post
    But then Isla would be moaning about the cuts in welfare to pay for it. Or we could increase our GDP and tax revenue to pay for it, helped by selling more the USA with a bilateral trade deal, exactly what Trump is offering, and what Obama went out of his way to obstruct. A point no doubt lost on Isla also.
    any deal that Trump is willing to make with the UK would be worse for the UK than whatever it's got now. in order for Trump to win someone else has to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    any deal that Trump is willing to make with the UK would be worse for the UK than whatever it's got now. in order for Trump to win someone else has to lose.
    Especially since May has "Desperate to make a trade deal, any trade deal" tattooed on her forehead.
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    He didn't say Boris would be a better prime minister. Trump said he would make a good prime minister and has what it takes in a discussion about him leaving government. Thats not the same thing. He could have said the same about Gareth Southgate. People dont actually look at what he said. Prople believe what they want to think to suit their own agenda, not arbitarily looking at the facts. Melania could have said the same thing to the kids she met in the school. Does that make it wrong too? Trump heaped praise on May at Chequers, far more than he needed to. He realised a trade deal with the UK was now off the table, and was gracious enough not to labour it, as it would have been damaging to her.
    Boris will be back. There is huge affection for him among conservative voters.

    Those military marine choopers that flank the US presidents plane, they were quite something. Very impressive.

    Isla, it doesn't really matter if POTUS is Donald Duck. Salute the rank. The USA is supplying us with F35's among other things. Our security and freedom is dependent on an economically strong USA. Steps to maintain that are in our interest, in the bigger picture. Objections to Trump were self indulgent middle class liberal nonsense. Why weren't all those peope at work on Friday? The major allowing the blimp, the protests were a disgrace. It wasn't allowed for the Chinese visit.

    The American people voted for a change of direction with the current American president. They voted for someone who to represent their interests, politically ans economically. That he was voted in, is also a reflection of what came before. The American worker does not benefit from nor were they looking for Jesus. Can you understand that paradigm shift? You might not like Trump, but he says what he thinks, does what he says looking at his form. Thats less common with politicians. He does whats necessary to achieve he result he wants, even if that means stepping on toes. For how many years did we ask Europe to increase defence spending - several decades. The gas pipeline into Germany is politically nieve. The American democratic system can emasculate him at the mid terms if he isn't making the American people happy, then there will be a correction if necessary.
    Salute the rank - Did King George say that? We might still be a colony if we followed your political etiquette.

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    Salute the rank - Did King George say that? We might still be a colony if we followed your political etiquette.
    Considering the subject of this thread, that might have been a good thing.
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