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    [IMc - It's not often that one hears from people who have changed their minds about this issue.]

    Once Militantly Anti-Abortion, Evangelical Minister Now Lives 'With Regret'
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    July 11, 20182:35 PM ET
    Heard on Fresh Air Terry Gross

    Evangelical minister Rob Schenck was once a militant leader of the anti-abortion movement, blockading access to clinics to prevent doctors and patients from entering.

    But after more than 20 years in the movement, Schenck experienced a change of heart. Though firm in his evangelicalism, he has disavowed his militant anti-abortion stance.

    "I live with regret," he says of some of his former tactics. "I remember women some of them quite young being very distraught, very frightened, some very angry. Over time, I became very callous to that."

    Schenck now sees abortion as a moral and ethical issue that should be resolved by "an individual and his or her conscience" rather than by legislation.

    "This is not a question for politicians," he says. "When your end goal is a political one, you will, without exception, exploit the pain and the suffering and the agony of those who face the issue in their daily reality, in their real life."

    Schenck describes his change in outlook as one of several "conversions" he has experienced as an evangelical Christian.

    "Change is a part of the spiritual life," he explains. "Anytime we stop changing, we stagnate spiritually, emotionally, intellectually; we stop growing."

    Schenck's new memoir, Costly Grace, tells the story of the different phases of his religious and political life and explains why he changed and how he now preaches a more inclusive message, embracing the people he once demonized.

    Interview Highlights

    On becoming an anti-abortion activist in 1988

    There was a very close identification with the civil rights struggle, and I came to see this as a kind of civil rights struggle for the most vulnerable of human beings, those in the womb. And so as time went on, I embraced that. It took me a little while to become totally convinced of the rightness of that cause and I would take that into more than 20 years, actually 25 years, of activism.

    On ways he and his fellow anti-abortion activists made it difficult for women seeking abortion

    We engaged in mass blockades. Sometimes, we would have a dozen people in front of the doorways to a clinic. Other times, it would be hundreds. On occasion, we actually had thousands. And so we created human obstacles for those coming and going, whether they were the abortion providers themselves, their staff members, of course, women and sometimes men accompanying them that would come to the clinics. And it created a very intimidating encounter.

    There were, of course, exceptions. There were women who would later thank us for being there. There were adoptions arranged where women would go through with their pregnancy, deliver their child, the child would be adopted through the pro-life network, but that was a relatively rare exception to the rule.

    On reflecting on how his rhetoric while protesting abortion clinics and doctors may have contributed to the violence toward abortion providers, such as Dr. David Gunn, who was murdered in 1993; Dr. George Tiller, who was was wounded in 1993 and murdered in 2009; and Dr. Barnett Slepian, who was murdered in 1998

    This became more about us, about me, about our need to win, to win the argument, to win on legislation, to win in the courts. I will tell you that my acceptance of that responsibility had to come only after a long period of reflective prayer, of listening deeply to those who were gravely affected by those murders, in therapy with my own I will be careful to say Christian therapist, who helped me come to terms with what really happened and how I may have contributed to those acts of violence through my rhetoric, and eventually in a confrontation, a very loving one but nonetheless an encounter, a very strong, very powerful encounter, with the relative of one of the doctors shot and stabbed. ... And it was ... actually at a Passover Seder table when I was confronted very gently and very lovingly by a relative who happened to be a rabbi of that one abortion provider. In that moment, I realized my own culpability in those in those terrible, terrible events.

    On the evangelical support of Donald Trump

    I think it's a grave error. I think it has compromised our spiritual and moral integrity. In fact, I entitled my chapter on Donald Trump, "Donald Trump and the moral collapse of American evangelicalism." I think it's a Faustian bargain with Donald Trump, and I think it may lead to the demise of American evangelicalism as we have known it. But my hopeful thought is that, that as the phoenix arises out of the ashes, so a new evangelicalism will emerge, mostly led by a new younger generation of evangelicals that are truer to the faith that is at the center of evangelicalism.

    On what he hears from some politicians who voted for Trump but have doubts

    I would never name names ... but I have heard that many times over. You know, "I can't embrace him," sometimes even say very vulgar things about him, certainly paint him as a reckless, irresponsible and deeply offensive individual. I've heard even top level officials including members of Congress call him "insane, crazy, a lunatic but he's our lunatic, and he's going to help us achieve our objectives," and they're willing to make that deal. To me, that equates to selling one's soul.

    Sam Briger and Seth Kelley produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Meghan Sullivan adapted it for the Web.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/62800...ntent=20180711

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    Good read. Pretty nicely summarizes my position, just stated more succinctly. Thanks.
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    How many lives has he ruined with his misguided hate?

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    About the time I started volunteering for Planned Parenthood because the ideological foundation these “Christians” articulated was opening a door for extremists and terrorists to justify their actions. Under the idea of protecting an unnamed, unseen, hypothesized child they terrorized women, health care providers, doctors, nurses and their families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian McColgin View Post
    This became more about us, about me, about our need to win, to win the argument, to win on legislation, to win in the courts.
    Win the election....?
    There's a few more of his ilk here who may someday reflect on their own need to win, for no other reason than to win.
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    As Schenck further put it: "When your end goal is a political one, you will, without exception, exploit the pain and the suffering and the agony of those who face the issue in their daily reality, in their real life."

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    The process of people like him growing up is certainly costly in human terms. He helped people get elected whose only love is money. A bum.

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    Oops. Meant to post a new thread. FART
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    I've never quite understood this debate. It is perfectly legal, and fine with me, if a pregnant woman chooses to have a baby. It's equally okay with me if she chooses to abort. I don't see it as being any of my business.

    EXCEPT: if my tax dollars are being used, there are less tax dollars involved in an abortion than in helping raise a child. While I would not deny the woman her right to decide, I'd prefer my tax dollars pay for the desired abortion than not pay for it.
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    The RIGHT TO LIFE movement is really THE RIGHT TO BIRTH. They insist the child be born but food, clothing, healthcare, schooling are all up to the Democrats. They wash their hands after the child is born.

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    I have to be very impressed that he could reconsider his position on this very divisive issue and reach a change of heart. Not many are capable of such inward contemplation and self-examination. Good for him.

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    And just coincidently he’s hawking a new memoir.

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    "And just coincidently he’s hawking a new memoir." [#12]

    Yep. As was made abundently clear in the OP - "Schenck's new memoir, Costly Grace, tells the story of the different phases of his religious and political life and explains why he changed — and how he now preaches a more inclusive message, embracing the people he once demonized."

    The book is exactly why he was invited to the on-air interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boater14 View Post
    The RIGHT TO LIFE movement is really THE RIGHT TO BIRTH. They insist the child be born but food, clothing, healthcare, schooling are all up to the Democrats. They wash their hands after the child is born.
    Just like the goal to increase a church's flock, right to life (or right to birth) groups may be acting for what they view are moral reasons, but are serving those who want more customers, taxpayers, etc.
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