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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    A bit extreme dont you think?
    Not according to your OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture or occasionally civil seizure, is a legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing.

    which is something i'm VERY against. if you haven't been convicted of a crime, you should not be robbed by the government so they can buy more toys to kill you with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanMc View Post
    which is something i'm VERY against. if you haven't been convicted of a crime, you should not be robbed by the government so they can buy more toys to kill you with.
    Compensation should take away the financial incentive of the government to take property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    Compensation should take away the financial incentive of the government to take property.
    In this particular case, I'm as sure as I can be that the financial incentive had nothing to do with it. In other cases, mostly involving other kinds of property, it may be different. I'd be interested in your opinion of 'civil forfeiture' laws. Or does this only apply to guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture or occasionally civil seizure, is a legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing.
    Not in California. No more takey without convicty. One of many fairly recent bipartisan bills to pass.

    Weird to hear, eh? Bipartisan. Pass.

    Us crazy Californians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Not in California. No more takey without convicty. One of many fairly recent bipartisan bills to pass. Weird to hear, eh? Bipartisan. Pass. Us crazy Californians...
    Excellent news! That was a while ago; I hadn't heard about it. Well done!
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    Does California still have a "Red Flag" law?

    Right now, only five states—Connecticut, Washington, Indiana, California, and Oregon—have red flag laws, most of them put into place after tragedy struck even though law enforcement and family members knew the individual was a threat.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...flag-gun-laws/
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    california un-effed something up? kudos to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanMc View Post
    california un-effed something up? kudos to them
    Un effed?

    The fifth largest economy in the world un effed? Budget surplus un effed? Universal health coverage pending un effed? High speed rail un effed? Driverless cars uneffed? Stringent pollution laws uneffed?

    Perfect? No. Effed? Hardly.

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    Not only is California Un effed, you can do this in December...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoeyawl View Post
    Not only is California Un effed, you can do this in December...


    I doubt he's a sailor Canoeyawl. I don't think he's here because of boats even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Un effed?

    The fifth largest economy in the world un effed? Budget surplus un effed? Universal health coverage pending un effed? High speed rail un effed? Driverless cars uneffed? Stringent pollution laws uneffed?

    Perfect? No. Effed? Hardly.

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    the point was, they had effed it up, then they un-effed it up. most people eff it up and leave it that way forever.

    but on other notes

    you can keep your driverless coffins... er, cars

    i can't give credit for anything that's "pending". but if it does get done, these numbers will get way worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by S.V. Airlie View Post
    I doubt he's a sailor Canoeyawl. I don't think he's here because of boats even.

    man, you're really on top of your bad assumptions today sv.

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    I will leave you all to slam my home and each other.

    I have better things to do than denigrate others.

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    I seem to remember Trump said it was unconstitutional to deny gun ownership to people with a history of mental problems.
    Good job not everybody agrees with the Stable Genius.

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    To be clear, is there anyone among us who believes that a person who is publicly behaving in a hostile manner that indicates paranoid delusions as well as menacing the customers of a business while carrying a lethal weapon is exercising his Second Amendment right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    I seem to remember Trump said it was unconstitutional to deny gun ownership to people with a history of mental problems.
    Good job not everybody agrees with the Stable Genius.
    Id have to say it does depend on the mental illness and the definition used.

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    Here's where I stand--if you do something stupid with a firearm to endanger people you forfeit the firearm, along with any others you own. No compensation.

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    But... But...
    The Second Amendment doesn't mention stupid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    But... But...
    The Second Amendment doesn't mention stupid!
    It's true.

    Which strikes me as kind of stupid.

    What are you doing about it?




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    I don't believe this graph is accurate at this point in time. Seems that there is still a hefty surplus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    When posted, i figured i wasnt getting the entire story, and said as much, but was still upset anout the confiscation with no warrent or arrest.

    Now, im glad it happened, and hope an arrest is made.
    Ok, so if they had gotten a warrant to remove the guns from the guy, that would have been ok? Honestly, it's not a bad idea. A paper trail is always a good way to cover your ass. The police could have detained the man while they went to the judge to get a warrant. They can do it for almost anything else, why not that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Ok, so if they had gotten a warrant to remove the guns from the guy, that would have been ok? Honestly, it's not a bad idea. A paper trail is always a good way to cover your ass. The police could have detained the man while they went to the judge to get a warrant. They can do it for almost anything else, why not that?
    That would have been much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    Ok, so if they had gotten a warrant to remove the guns from the guy, that would have been ok? Honestly, it's not a bad idea. A paper trail is always a good way to cover your ass. The police could have detained the man while they went to the judge to get a warrant. They can do it for almost anything else, why not that?
    From the link in post 12.

    Due to his numerous contacts with police and escalating behavior, SPD’s Crisis Response Squad filed for an Extreme Risk Protection Order, requiring the man to turn over all firearms. After the man failed to turn over his firearms or appear in court for a hearing on the order, police obtained a warrant and responded to the man’s apartment in the 2200 block of 2nd Avenue just after 1 p.m. on March 1st and took him into custody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    From the link in post 12.
    And everything was done right then. This thread is a good representation of why i post seemingly bs threads. I enjoy them bein anylized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    And everything was done right then. This thread is a good representation of why i post seemingly bs threads. I enjoy them bein anylized.
    I like that you're open to that. I'll like it even more when you start doing it yourself.

    What are you doing about it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek
    Then investigate and issue warrents etc, maybe detain the man on the spot. What they did was an outright violation of constitution and authority. You cant act and rule on fear.
    A warrant WAS issued. The man WAS arrested. From snopes.com:

    Due to his numerous contacts with police and escalating behavior, SPD’s Crisis Response Squad filed for an Extreme Risk Protection Order, requiring the man to turn over all firearms. After the man failed to turn over his firearms or appear in court for a hearing on the order, police obtained a warrant and responded to the man’s apartment in the 2200 block of 2nd Avenue just after 1 p.m. on March 1st and took him into custody.
    I rate this troll: FAIL. Count this as a response from the left.
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    ok then. Case solved. NEXT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    And everything was done right then. This thread is a good representation of why I post seemingly bs threads. I enjoy them being analyzed.
    This is refreshing, although one hopes you'll eventually get a better idea of which news sources are reliable. The contrast with mdh is notable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Orca View Post
    I like that you're open to that. I'll like it even more when you start doing it yourself.
    Yes, it's a bit... what? Presumptuous? Self-centered? Lazy? Rude? Something! To bring cowflop to the table, that is, which then others have to help you disinfect. I'll like it even more when you do your own vetting before
    bringing it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Yes, it's a bit... what? Presumptuous? Self-centered? Lazy? Rude? Something! To bring cowflop to the table which then others have to help you disinfect. I'll like it even more when you do your own vetting before
    bringing it here.
    How wonderfully supercilious of you.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    How wonderfully supercilious of you.
    You're welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek View Post
    I mean, there is a law that litteraly says, even if you obey the law, you are still screwed.
    He broke the law. Read the Snopes link.

    The law was passed by ballot initiative after the Cafe Racer massacre. In that case, the man's family had tried to get his guns taken away and him institutionalized before he shot anyone. The law at that time did not permit this.

    Now, why did the police think this fellow you're asking about was a nutter who was a danger?

    Read the Snopes link. From it:

    According to the department spokesperson, the suspect — who lives directly above the restaurant — stood on a sidewalk in front of the business “yelling obscenities and accusing them of ‘talking to him through the floor.'” He later called officers back to the scene, saying that he could hear “taunting and voices” emanating from the restaurant. While meeting with police, they said, he said that he wanted a restaurant employee “arrested or shot.” He was detained and later taken to receive medical services.
    Now, perhaps you think someone who wants the police to shoot someone for him is in his right mind. I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    perhaps a less biased source and more information specific to this incident would allow me to express an opinion

    - sign me, liberal firearms enthusiast
    Next time, take Paul's advice in post #4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy W View Post
    Next time, take Paul's advice in post #4.
    Well... yes. That's precisely correct. Just not supercilious enough.
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