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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    I do. The one thing I saw in Trump was that he is not a politician, but rather a business man. Not a good business man, but hey, I was sick of politicians. Trumps goals as a business man should be to get the best deal possible for his company.
    One tactic thatís makes that happen is if all sides feel like they won something. Thatís not the same as win/win, itís we won, and you think you won too.

    Tusk comes in heavy handed, backs down a bit, gets what he really wanted, and Trump thinks he won.
    Until he see's a better deal for himself..that's when the Company and Country take it in the shorts.
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    While Trump believes the enormous spending by the US on "defense" is a virtue, this graph places it in perspective.


    Most of it is devoted to propping up stupid projects mounted by corporations dominated by right-wing interests and former military officers, who in turn fund the campaigns of corrupt Republican politicians. Who in turn keep voting for obscenely bloated "defense" budgets.

    It's a racket, see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip-skiff View Post
    While Trump believes the enormous spending by the US on "defense" is a virtue, this graph places it in perspective.


    Most of it is devoted to propping up stupid projects mounted by corporations dominated by right-wing interests and former military officers, who in turn fund the campaigns of corrupt Republican politicians. Who in turn keep voting for obscenely bloated "defense" budgets.

    It's a racket, see?
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    Default Re: Trump told to behave by EU ahead of NATO talks

    Trump has now said the EU should spend 4% of GDP on defence, double the present objective, and many times that of Russia and China.
    Get stuffed, you warmongering moron!

    ETA: should have said NATO, not EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Uhhh . . .

    We also got more than half of Mexico, the 827,000 square miles that was Louisiana, plus Alaska and Hawaii.
    You did not conquer them, and they are not colonies but states, an integral part of your nation.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    You did not conquer them, and they are not colonies but states, an integral part of your nation.
    We conquered them with war and money.

    We felt it best to make them States, so they would be ruled by the consent of the governed.

    3,800,000 square miles is quite the little empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Trump has now said the EU should spend 4% of GDP on defence, double the present objective, and many times that of Russia and China.
    Get stuffed, you warmongering moron!
    That's also considerably more than the US defense budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    We conquered them with war and money.

    We felt it best to make them States, so they would be ruled by the consent of the governed.

    3,800,000 square miles is quite the little empire.
    Not an Empire then.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Not an Empire then.
    If you say so.

    You lost yours.

    We didn't.

    Yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    If you say so.

    You lost yours.

    We didn't.

    Yet.
    U R Silly.
























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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    U R Silly.
























    U can't lose what you never had.
    If you say so.

    I'm sure the Sioux will be glad to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    If you say so.

    You lost yours.

    We didn't.

    Yet.
    And when you do, you will be all the better for it. So will your "empire".
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    Quote Originally Posted by downthecreek View Post
    And when you do, you will be all the better for it. So will your "empire".
    I'm sure the Choctaw Nation will be glad to hear it.
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    Donald is working up to withdrawing from NATO, maybe after his meeting with Vlad……………….

    Germany may have to restart it's nuke plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    If you say so.

    I'm sure the Sioux will be glad to hear it.
    That is like saying that England is a Saxon or Norman empire.

    Still being silly.

    Or trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    That is like saying that England is a Saxon or Norman empire.

    Still being silly.

    Or trolling.
    I wouldn't know from Saxon.

    You may be wrong about that, too!





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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Donald is working up to withdrawing from NATO, maybe after his meeting with Vlad……………….

    Germany may have to restart it's nuke plants.
    Why?

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    Renewables are likely not enough for base load power, and gas imported from elsewhere by ship impractical and more expensive.

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    If you look at the few NATO nations shown, their combined spending appears 2nd. Not very "uncommitted" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    Trump has declared himself King of the World. He listens to no one except the voices in his deranged head.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    He is a Russian agent. Vlad wants nothing more than a weak and unsure NATO and our current president is going to give him that on a platter.
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    Why has he got this beef because Germany buys gas from Russia?
    How does that gel with his smooching Vlad?

    That guy makes no sense.
    The only through line i can see is that he wants personal ties with Russia so he can build stuff there. Otherwise everything he vomits up on twitter is for his base.
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    Actually he doesn't have to withdraw. Poland is, reportedly, getting nervous and some european opinion is that Donald would not commit any boots to their defence. I reckon that Vlad already knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    I do. The one thing I saw in Trump was that he is not a politician, but rather a business man. Not a good business man, but hey, I was sick of politicians.
    About like hiring a bad plumber to work on your helicopter because you were sick of mechanics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Renewables are likely not enough for base load power, and gas imported from elsewhere by ship impractical and more expensive.
    This is the reason why Germany has and wants more gas delivered by Gazprom. Whats the problem?

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    How German News Covered Trump's NATO Visit

    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Trump makes up "facts" as he goes.

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    I think that Donald's international cred about anything much is diminishing daily. She's not the only one laughing at the man, if more nervously at his 'policies'. But in reality he is no joke, and I think the sooner the rest of the west learns to do without the US for the forseeable future the better.
    Even if the political wheel turns and the US goes back to 'normal' government, it will take some time to rebuild the institutions and heal the damage he and his party have instituted. I doubt it will ever be the same again personally, the world will have moved on.

    BTW, re Donad's '4%' defence spend. Is he perchance presuming it will be spent on US made arms?

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    Well looks like he managed to swing a payrise for NATO. Does that still make him Putins bitch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I think that Donald's international cred about anything much is diminishing daily. She's not the only one laughing at the man, if more nervously at his 'policies'. But in reality he is no joke, and I think the sooner the rest of the west learns to do without the US for the forseeable future the better.
    Even if the political wheel turns and the US goes back to 'normal' government, it will take some time to rebuild the institutions and heal the damage he and his party have instituted. I doubt it will ever be the same again personally, the world will have moved on.

    BTW, re Donad's '4%' defence spend. Is he perchance presuming it will be spent on US made arms?
    I'd say US arms are unlikely after Trump. Europe is just a proficient at death machines as is the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    Well looks like he managed to swing a payrise for NATO. [...]
    Do you really think any head of state at the NATO summit was authorized by his country to double the contribution? In my view it is nothing but PR fodder for his backers. Empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    That is like saying that England is a Saxon or Norman empire.

    Still being silly.

    Or trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Trump makes up "facts" as he goes.
    Perhaps

    According to the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44794688

    Trump: How much of Germany's gas comes from Russia?

    By Reality Check teamBBC News

    • 11 July 2018


    Mr Trump is right that Germany relies on Russia for most of its gas imports.
    Eurostat estimates that Russia is responsible for between 50% and 75% of Germany's gas imports.
    Eurostat : http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...nd_natural_gas
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft View Post
    Well looks like he managed to swing a payrise for NATO. Does that still make him Putins bitch?
    Nothing changed even with all of Trump's bluster. NATO agreed to put in 2% of their GDP by 2024, an agreement made in 2014. As Macron said, the agreed AGAIN yesterday to put in 2% of the GDP by 2024. In other words, Trump got nothing other than what had previously agreed upon. BUT, of course, his fans won't even notice and if they do, will ignore the obvious; he did squat. Just as with his Summit with Kim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I wouldn't know from Saxon.

    You may be wrong about that, too!





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    Arguing with the chickpea = hiding to nothing!
    I doubt you've ever argued with 'the chickpea', and I don't know what 'hiding to nothing' even means.

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