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    A federal judge on Friday ordered former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort to jail to await separate trials on money laundering and fraud charges following allegations that he sought to obstruct the Russia inquiry while he was on house arrest.

    Manafort, who just two summers ago was celebrating Donald Trump's nomination at the Republican National Convention, was charged last week along with Russian business associate Konstantin Kilimnik as part of an alleged scheme to tamper with two witnesses in the existing cases against Manafort.

    Prosecutors asserted that that the alleged obstruction effort, in which Manafort and Kilimnik sought to coach the testimony of the two un-identified witnesses, should trigger the revocation of Manafort's bail, sending him to jail to await a July trial in Alexandria, Va., on bank fraud charges and a separate September trial in Washington, D.C., where he faces a vast money laundering and fraud conspiracy.

    Investigators have claimed that the "repeated" contacts occurred while Manafort was under house arrest in Virginia, as a condition of his release.

    Last week's indictment asserted that Manafort and Kilimnik engaged in the obstruction scheme from Feb. 23 through April.

    "The defendants...knowingly and intentionally conspired to corruptly persuade (the witnesses identified as D1 and D2) with intent to influence, delay and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding," prosecutors alleged.

    The witnesses worked with Manafort in organizing a group of former European officials who lobbied within the U.S. without registering as required by law.

    "Manafort and Kilimnik repeatedly contacted Persons D1 and D2 in an effort to secure materially false testimony," prosecutors alleged in court papers.

    At one point, even as Manafort was on notice that investigators had been monitoring his communications, the former campaign chairman sent an encrypted text message to one of the witnesses, saying: "This is Paul...We should talk," court papers stated.

    The witnesses told investigators that they "understood" that Manafort was reaching out to influence the testimony, according to court papers.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ges/701199002/
    So Paul Manafort will sit in jail while awaiting trial. If convicted on any of the charges against him he may die in prison.
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    I wonder whether Putin's henchmen can find him in prison, or whether he's really likely to be safe there.
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    The perp walks start.

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    What sort of parents raise these scummy pieces of trash which present as members of the human species, I wonder.
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    Can’t wait for the spin on this.

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    Trump said this morning Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign, fact checking NPR says. He worked on it for 144 days.

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    It is Hillary's fault...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
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    A federal judge on Friday ordered former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort to jail to await separate trials on money laundering and fraud charges following allegations that he sought to obstruct the Russia inquiry while he was on house arrest.

    Manafort, who just two summers ago was celebrating Donald Trump's nomination at the Republican National Convention, was charged last week along with Russian business associate Konstantin Kilimnik as part of an alleged scheme to tamper with two witnesses in the existing cases against Manafort.

    Prosecutors asserted that that the alleged obstruction effort, in which Manafort and Kilimnik sought to coach the testimony of the two un-identified witnesses, should trigger the revocation of Manafort's bail, sending him to jail to await a July trial in Alexandria, Va., on bank fraud charges and a separate September trial in Washington, D.C., where he faces a vast money laundering and fraud conspiracy.

    Investigators have claimed that the "repeated" contacts occurred while Manafort was under house arrest in Virginia, as a condition of his release.

    Last week's indictment asserted that Manafort and Kilimnik engaged in the obstruction scheme from Feb. 23 through April.

    "The defendants...knowingly and intentionally conspired to corruptly persuade (the witnesses identified as D1 and D2) with intent to influence, delay and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding," prosecutors alleged.

    The witnesses worked with Manafort in organizing a group of former European officials who lobbied within the U.S. without registering as required by law.

    "Manafort and Kilimnik repeatedly contacted Persons D1 and D2 in an effort to secure materially false testimony," prosecutors alleged in court papers.

    At one point, even as Manafort was on notice that investigators had been monitoring his communications, the former campaign chairman sent an encrypted text message to one of the witnesses, saying: "This is Paul...We should talk," court papers stated.

    The witnesses told investigators that they "understood" that Manafort was reaching out to influence the testimony, according to court papers.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ges/701199002/

    So Paul Manafort will sit in jail while awaiting trial. If convicted on any of the charges against him he may die in prison.
    He probably may be in jail for a while.

    Would he have personally encrypted the text message or is that done automatically by the text program?

    It being a Federal case, would Mr Trump pardon him?
    Remember he 'offered his resignation' and Mr Trump accepted it. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/u...ald-trump.html

    BTW interesting the number of 'bolded' items in the C&P above. Why not more concrete actions such as 'proved', 'demonstrated' or 'presented evidence' or similar instead of alleged etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    Trump said this morning Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign, fact checking NPR says. He worked on it for 144 days.
    That's just gross!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    Trump said this morning Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign, fact checking NPR says. He worked on it for 144 days.
    And he was campaign manager from June to August 2016.

    On June 20, 2016, Trump fired campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and promoted Manafort to the position. Manafort gained control of the daily operations of the campaign as well as an expanded $20 million budget, hiring decisions, advertising, and media strategy.

    On August 17, 2016, Donald Trump received his first security briefing.The same day, August 17, Trump shook up his campaign organization in a way that appeared to minimize Manafort's role. It was reported that members of Trump's family, particularly Jared Kushner who had originally been a strong backer of Manafort, had become uneasy about his Russian connections and suspected that he had not been forthright about them.

    Two days later, Trump announced his acceptance of Manafort's resignation from the campaign.

    Upon Manafort's resignation as campaign chairman, Newt Gingrich stated that “nobody should underestimate how much Paul Manafort did to really help get this campaign to where it is right now.”

    So, just a coffee boy and filing clerk then?
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    "Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign,...... Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time." - D. Trump 6/15/2018

    Well which is it Mr. President? Did he have nothing to do with your campaign or did he work for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    BTW interesting the number of 'bolded' items in the C&P above. Why not more concrete actions such as 'proved', 'demonstrated' or 'presented evidence' or similar instead of alleged etc?
    Because that it what a trial is for. Until conviction or exoneration, ALL charges are 'alleged'.
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    BTW interesting the number of 'bolded' items in the C&P above. Why not more concrete actions such as 'proved', 'demonstrated' or 'presented evidence' or similar instead of alleged etc?

    Over here you present evidence in court, things are proven in court. They must have shown evidence the judge found credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    BTW interesting the number of 'bolded' items in the C&P above. Why not more concrete actions such as 'proved', 'demonstrated' or 'presented evidence' or similar instead of alleged etc?
    Interesting? You do realise, presumably, that the man has yet to be tried? That is when the charges of alleged activities will be tested. What did you expect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by downthecreek View Post
    Interesting? You do realise, presumably, that the man has yet to be tried? That is when the charges of alleged activities will be tested. What did you expect?
    Yes appreciate that one is innocent until proven guilty, but it appears (according to above report) that his house arrest status was revoked and he was taken into jail based on all the 'alleged' etc (bolded) items.
    It does not state that any of the 'reasons' are fact (i.e. none proven), just assumptions etc.

    So using your (correct) stance, then surely the alleged reasons to send him to jail pending trial should be fact and not alleged.
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    The judge obviously decided that the evidence of witness tampering presented to the court by the prosecutors was compelling.
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    Trump told reporters today that Manafort only worked for the Trump campaign for 49 days.

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    How come they did not just give him sensitivity training?

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    You could use some sensitivity training yourself. You appear to be insensitive to facts and truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    Trump said this morning Manafort had nothing to do with the campaign, fact checking NPR says. He worked on it for 144 days.
    And this is free speech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKIP KILPATRICK View Post
    "Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign,...... Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time." - D. Trump 6/15/2018

    Well which is it Mr. President? Did he have nothing to do with your campaign or did he work for you?

    It can't be both!




    Sure it can. Just watch his supporters accept all this as both being true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    How come they did not just give him sensitivity training?
    Bobbys... you disappoint me. Where is your usual colorful spin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery
    Trump told reporters today that Manafort only worked for the Trump campaign for 49 days.
    When asked if he was OK with such Trump lies, U.S. Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH, 5th District) told MSNBC's Katy Tur, "OK. Fine. So he exaggerated a little on that."
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    Evidently in such circumstances the defendant is held in the Washington D.C. jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Yes appreciate that one is innocent until proven guilty, but it appears (according to above report) that his house arrest status was revoked and he was taken into jail based on all the 'alleged' etc (bolded) items.
    It does not state that any of the 'reasons' are fact (i.e. none proven), just assumptions etc.

    So using your (correct) stance, then surely the alleged reasons to send him to jail pending trial should be fact and not alleged.
    Either you have a very limited understanding of the processes by which the decision is made to grant bail or to remand an accused person in custody, or you are just being disingenuous. My money is on the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downthecreek View Post
    Either you have a very limited understanding of the processes by which the decision is made to grant bail or to remand an accused person in custody, or you are just being disingenuous. My money is on the latter.
    Your first statement "have a very limited understanding of the processes by which the decision is made to grant bail or to remand an accused person in custody" is correct. I am not a lawyer, I personally (nor do I know anyone that has) have not been through the bail revoke process in the USA.
    So I have been asking questions to find out more as part of the discussions on this thread.

    So you just lost your money.

    PS So it would appear you are now upthecreek, without . . . LOL

    BTW How much did you bet?
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    The fact is house arrest is a bit of a privilege, bail for Manafort was set at 10 million, while under house arrest he apparently attempted to commit other crime's and the evidence was compelling enough for the judge to deny that privilege. I'm not sure that even if he could raise the 10 million they would grant bail now. At his age the witness tampering charges alone if proven true might keep him in jail for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Your first statement "have a very limited understanding of the processes by which the decision is made to grant bail or to remand an accused person in custody" is correct. I am not a lawyer, I personally (nor do I know anyone that has) have not been through the bail revoke process in the USA.
    So I have been asking questions to find out more as part of the discussions on this thread.

    So you just lost your money.

    PS So it would appear you are now upthecreek, without . . . LOL

    BTW How much did you bet?
    Not so fast there Numb Pirate!
    The lady won the bet when she described you as disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    The fact is house arrest is a bit of a privilege, bail for Manafort was set at 10 million, while under house arrest he apparently attempted to commit other crime's and the evidence was compelling enough for the judge to deny that privilege. I'm not sure that even if he could raise the 10 million they would grant bail now. At his age the witness tampering charges alone if proven true might keep him in jail for the rest of his life.
    who flips first? manafort or cohen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    who flips first? manafort or cohen?
    I am not sure that Mueller needs to flip either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    The judge obviously decided that the evidence of witness tampering presented to the court by the prosecutors was compelling.
    Thanks Tom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rum_Pirate View Post
    Your first statement "have a very limited understanding of the processes by which the decision is made to grant bail or to remand an accused person in custody" is correct. I am not a lawyer, I personally (nor do I know anyone that has) have not been through the bail revoke process in the USA.
    So I have been asking questions to find out more as part of the discussions on this thread.

    So you just lost your money.

    PS So it would appear you are now upthecreek, without . . . LOL

    BTW How much did you bet?
    Oh, for heaven's sake, Rum Pirate! Have you not an ounce of ordinary general knowledge or common sense? Or do you just never stop to think things through?

    I'm afraid the pert, irrelevant little "clever dick" rejoinders you come up with whenever you are called out on a piece of silliness do you no credit. I might expect them from a precocious adolescent, but not from a grown man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    I am not sure that Mueller needs to flip either.
    them are some positive vibes
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    Looks like he lost some property today, or his wife and daughter did...

    From WaPo


    "The Defendant will execute an agreement to forfeit four (4) separate real properties if there is a bail violation with a total estimated net value (i.e., fair market value less encumbrances) of approximately $11.65 million," Manafort lawyers Kevin M. Downing and Thomas E. Zehnle wrote.

    "Counsel for Mr. Manafort and the Office of Special Counsel have conferred, and the parties agree that the conditions of release set forth below will reasonably assure the appearance of Mr. Manafort as required," they wrote.

    In the proposal, Manafort agreed that he would not travel abroad and that his wife, Kathleen, would turn over her passport, as he has already done.

    His wife agreed to guarantee a $10 million bond, and their daughter Andrea agreed to forfeit her share of one of the properties, a condominium in Manhattan's Chinatown, worth a net $3.7 million.

    The other properties listed included the couple's house in the Hamptons of Long Island, worth $4 million, a home in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., worth $1.25 million and his condo in Alexandria, Va., worth $2.7 million, all calculated after mortgages.

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