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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Yeah. When you say

    And I respond that's what that means.

    I also said that Bernie could have thrown his enthusiastic support behind Hillary and turned the election in the direction of sanity.

    Principles never won an election.

    Ever.

    Votes win elections, and Bernie was a slacker in delivering the votes he controlled to Hillary.

    If he were such a progressive genius, he would have seen that he could tell Hillary she would have his support, but she had to adopt a more progressive stance.

    Wheelin' an' dealin'.

    Trump is a disaster.

    The US economy, world position and even credit will never be the same.

    EVER.

    Still, he may be the [redacted] needed to galvanize the progressive movement to get out the vote and crush these anti-American bursteds once and for all.

    Hows THAT for a silver lining?

    Silver plate anyway...

    As I understand it - mostly from local interviews - he tried very hard to get HRC to adopt some more progressive points & had little luck (that arrogance thing).

    I agree that the US position in the world will never be the same. Once you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you cannot be trusted, you'll never win much trust back.

    The silver lining on that is that now maybe we can cut back our military to something a little more sane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    So Bernie was derelict in his duty as a candidate running under the Democratic banner.

    That's part of the deal.

    You get through the primaries, and the loser pledges his support to the winner, so that the Party is solid going in to the election.

    Bernie didn't do that.

    He was luke-warm at best.

    He defaulted on the implicit agreement.

    He reneged.

    He sold out the US for his whiny little ego and his so-called 'integrity'.

    I'm sure he's a great Senator. I'd love it if he were a Texas Senator, but he dropped the ball on that one. Bigly.
    Here I think I understand what you're saying & then you come out with this. Pure BS. If he'd unreservedly supported HRC with the platform she was running on, any credibility he had would have gone out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Here I think I understand what you're saying & then you come out with this. Pure BS. If he'd unreservedly supported HRC with the platform she was running on, any credibility he had would have gone out the window.
    Too bad.

    That's the implicit bargain he made when he decided to run as a Democratic Candidate.

    If he were so [redacted] worried about his credibility, he should have run as a Socialist.

    He used the Democratic Party as a springboard, and when he didn't jump high enough, he didn't pay his freight.

    It could be argued that he trashed his credibility when he decided to run as a Democrat, and all the whingeing later was just a salve to his ego.

    Once again: Principles NEVER won ANY election.

    Don't get me wrong.

    I LIKE Bernie, but if he was out on some sort of moral crusade for his integrity, he sure screwed the pooch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret
    He gets (for senate) the vast majority of Dem votes here + many independents + quite a few Reps. He won his last campaign with somewhere around 85% of the vote.
    No doubt he is very popular in Vermont.

    But it seems to me that he was the preferred Democratic presidential candidate of a lot of Bilge right-wingnuts. I suspect they thought Clinton stood a chance whereas an unapologetic socialist would play right into their hands.

    And they continue to push Sanders as a possible presidential candidate. These are people who are not going to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate regardless of who it might be. What they want is someone they think would be a pushover as a Democratic opponent. The more liberal the better. A real socialist opponent is their wet dream.
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    [IMc - I felt during the campaign that Sanders was doing a good job trying to get the more narrow-minded of his people to work for Clinton. Here's a take from last September.]

    What Really Happened: Bernie Sanders Refutes Hillary Clinton’s Book
    By Michael Sainato • 09/08/17 12:35pm

    Hillary Clinton’s continued influence on the Democratic Party is obstructing its progress by suppressing opportunities for fresh leaders to arise and conflating criticisms of Donald Trump to revenge for Clinton. This week, a few pages leaked from Clinton’s new book in which she blames Sen. Bernie Sanders for her loss to Trump. Instead of admitting faults in her campaign, she victimizes herself and blames a variety of scapegoats.

    During an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on September 7, Sanders responded to the excerpt claiming he undercut Clinton’s policy ideas by stating, “Does anybody really believe that?” He continued, “The truth is and the real story is that the ideas that we brought forth during that campaign, which were so crazy and so radical, are increasingly becoming mainstream.” Sanders cited these policy ideas as a $15 minimum wage, a $1 trillion infrastructure plan he introduced nearly a year before Clinton’s plan was introduced, and single payer health care, which has become increasingly popular despite Clinton claiming it will “never, ever come to pass.” Sanders also advocated for free public college tuition, which Clinton ridiculed during the primaries but took credit for earlier this year when Sanders and Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced a plan to provide free public college tuition in her home state, New York. Further, Sanders introduced his youth employment plan two weeks before Clinton introduced her apprenticeship program, making Clinton’s claims that Sanders stole her ideas as demonstrably false. Nevertheless, mainstream media has branded the excerpt from her book as factual.

    Sanders’ presidential campaign fought for progressive policies, as outlined in his book that stemmed from the 2016 election, Our Revolution. Sanders’ book encourages his supporters’ enthusiasm, while Clinton’s new book tries to re-write history and revamp her supporters’ disdain for Sanders. But some Clinton supporters have pushed back on the narrative she is trying to put forth.

    “The best thing she could do is disappear,” a former Clinton fundraiser and surrogate who played an active role at the convention told The Hill. “She’s doing harm to all of us because of her own selfishness. Honestly, I wish she’d just shut the f— up and go away.” Congressman Jared Hoffman, who supported Clinton in the primaries, told Politico, “She’s got every right to tell her story. Who am I to say she shouldn’t, or how she should tell it? But it is difficult for some of us, even like myself who’ve supported her, to play out all these media cycles about the blame game, and the excuses.”

    In focusing on how Sanders supposedly undercut her, Clinton’s revisionism fails to admit that her campaign was desperately trying to keep up with Bernie Sanders’ popularity. She resisted increasing the debate schedule, which was ultimately reduced from 26 debates in 2008 to six in 2016. The DNC rescinded their ban on corporate lobbyist and PAC donations to help the Clinton campaign raise money with the Hillary Victory Fund. Sanders never ran an attack ad against Clinton, even though Obama did in 2008. Further, Clinton’s claims that Sanders hurt her candidacy fail to acknowledge that primaries are a necessary part of American democracy. Her campaign had an abundance of advantages but suffered from complacency and arrogance.

    Since the election, Bernie Sanders’ and his policies have become mainstream, but Clinton and her supporters continue to blame him for her loss. Her book is a desperate attempt to salvage her reputation—even if it means further fracturing the Democratic Party.

    http://observer.com/2017/09/bernie-s...what-happened/

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    I always thought that Hillary and Bernie would have made a good pair in the White House. He would have tempered her more hawkish ways and she would have goaded him towards being a bit more fiscally responsible. They would have cleaned house against The Donald.

    As for Geng's reason for bring this up: is he trying to fracture the liberals into smaller camps by pointing out that Bernie is being shafted by the DNC. Good try, but not worth the effort
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    I haven't read Clinton's book. Nor do I plan to read it. I agree the best thing she could do is disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland
    As for Geng's reason for bring this up: is he trying to fracture the liberals into smaller camps by pointing out that Bernie is being shafted by the DNC. Good try, but not worth the effort
    Yep. His motivation seems pretty clear to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    No doubt he is very popular in Vermont.

    But it seems to me that he was the preferred Democratic presidential candidate of a lot of Bilge right-wingnuts. I suspect they thought Clinton stood a chance whereas an unapologetic socialist would play right into their hands.

    And they continue to push Sanders as a possible presidential candidate. These are people who are not going to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate regardless of who it might be. What they want is someone they think would be a pushover as a Democratic opponent. The more liberal the better. A real socialist opponent is their wet dream.
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    And you buy into the RW "He's a socialist" BS. Sorry - but he's a "Democratic Socialist" - a very different thing. On top of that he's a very pragmatic politician who have a good understanding of what can & cannot do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    And you buy into the RW "He's a socialist" BS. Sorry - but he's a "Democratic Socialist" - a very different thing. On top of that he's a very pragmatic politician who have a good understanding of what can & cannot do.
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    I think you're wildly overestimating the impact of bernie's "support".

    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post

    The DIRECT IMPLICATION of this statement is that Bernie's credibility is more important than winning the election.
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    Consider this: What possible good would it have done hillary to have the support of bernie after he'd pissed-away his own credibility by betraying his principles to support her?
    That would have been a rather empty endorsement, I think.

    Principles don't win elections... ok, but to bernie's principle-driven voters there isn't much point of winning the election (or even participating in the election) without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    I think you're wildly overestimating the impact of bernie's "support".



    Consider this: What possible good would it have done hillary to have the support of bernie after he'd pissed-away his own credibility by betraying his principles to support her?
    That would have been a rather empty endorsement, I think.

    Principles don't win elections... ok, but to bernie's principle-driven voters there isn't much point of winning the election (or even participating in the election) without them.
    Therefore principles SUCK.

    These high-flown 'principles' apparently do NOT include making common cause to keep the Mendacious Messiah out of the [redacted] White House.

    Isn't that what all the pundits keep saying? That Democracy is the art of compromise?

    But NOOOOOOOO!!!!

    They had to have Bernie, or Bust.

    Oh, but they feel SO GOOD about themselves while the Mango Mussolini burns their precious Constitution to the ground.

    Yay principles!

    In fact, though principles never won an election, it looks like they sure as heck lost this one.

    to bernie's principle-driven voters there isn't much point of winning the election (or even participating in the election) without them
    If this is actually true, then the RWW seems to have lost its monopoly on MORONS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Well, you get that, and I get that and Tom gets that, but bobbys will never get that.
    I dont think you will ever get the fraud the DNC did to its own..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret
    And you buy into the RW "He's a socialist" BS. Sorry - but he's a "Democratic Socialist" - a very different thing. On top of that he's a very pragmatic politician who have a good understanding of what can & cannot do.
    No I do not.

    The point I am attempting to make is that the 21st century U.S.A. is more conservative in general than died-in-the-wool liberals would like to admit. That is the reason why Republicans try their best to paint EVERY Democratic candidate as a "liberal" no matter how moderate.

    Liberal Democrats are reluctant to vote for a moderate Democrat. But Republicans consider EVERY Democrat to be a liberal. They love to run opposite a true liberal. As I said, a Democratic presidential candidate running as a "Democratic Socialist" is their wet dream.

    As for myself... I am a proud liberal who will vote for whomever the Democratic Party nominates for POTUS. ANY Democrat is preferable to ANY Republican in 2018 & 2020, in my opinion (as it was in 2016). And so I am willing to accept half a loaf. And I think a true liberal candidate faces an uphill battle in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I have to disagree. Yes, Bernie affected the election hugely. I do not believe he "elected Trump". I believe the arrogance & focus of the Clinton campaign & the DNC elected him. If they'd paid any attention, they'd have seen that there were a lot of Dems & Independents who supported the principles that Bernie espoused. They could have 1) spoken to those principles in a meaningful way & 2) paid just a little attention to voters in rural areas. Instead, they took the "our way is the only way" approach & blew it.
    We have widely different memories. I remember Bernie attacking Hillary a good deal. Even Robert Reich, as he supported Bernie attacked Hillary.

    Bernie was VERY LATE in supporting Hillary, and very lame in that support. He had done damage to her that he could not undo, and didn't try very hard to undo.
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    If I may, I'd like to look at 2000. If Nader was not in that race, Gore would have been president. If the people in Palm Beach hadn't made 3000 errors on the 'butterfly ballot" Gore would have been president. It there hadn't been questionable voter purging, Gore would have been president.

    Any one of these factors not being there, and Gore would be president.

    I think the same applies to 2016. I believe if Bernie had gotten behind Hillary sooner and stronger, she would be president. I believe if Russia had not meddled, she would be president. I believe if Comey had not written that letter 11 days before and the media not immediately hyped it as a "BOMBSHELL", Hillary would be president.

    We're not talking about large margins in key states.
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    I agree with you, John Smith. It was a close election (wrt the electoral college... not so much wrt the popular vote). And I think the anti-Clinton, Russian-bot, Facebook & email barrage also helped to energize the Trump deplorables to turn out and vote.
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    Has anybody published a poll of voters and non voters who would have voted for Bernie had he been running?
    I suspect some people who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders, as would have many abstainers

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Has anybody published a poll of voters and non voters who would have voted for Bernie had he been running?
    I suspect some people who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders, as would have many abstainers
    Bernie went through the primaries facing NO attack ads. Had he gotten to the general, that would change. IMO, he'd find himself running against Reagan and all the clips Reagan left us saying how evil socialized medicine is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Therefore principles SUCK.

    These high-flown 'principles' apparently do NOT include making common cause to keep the Mendacious Messiah out of the [redacted] White House.

    Isn't that what all the pundits keep saying? That Democracy is the art of compromise?

    But NOOOOOOOO!!!!

    They had to have Bernie, or Bust.

    Oh, but they feel SO GOOD about themselves while the Mango Mussolini burns their precious Constitution to the ground.

    Yay principles!

    In fact, though principles never won an election, it looks like they sure as heck lost this one.



    If this is actually true, then the RWW seems to have lost its monopoly on MORONS.
    I know many Bernie supporters & every single one of them voted for HRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    We have widely different memories. I remember Bernie attacking Hillary a good deal. Even Robert Reich, as he supported Bernie attacked Hillary.

    Bernie was VERY LATE in supporting Hillary, and very lame in that support. He had done damage to her that he could not undo, and didn't try very hard to undo.
    And HRC never really paid attention to the issues Bernie & his supporters brought up. So - her unwillingness to change or consider other options is Bernie's fault?

    I'm calling BS again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I know many Bernie supporters & every single one of them voted for HRC.
    Apparently, Vermont is a Bernie stronghold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Apparently, Vermont is a Bernie stronghold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Bernie stuck it to the Democrats.

    While claiming, not bragging, that he NEVER campaigns negatively, he is constantly attacking Hillary for those speeches, which were quite legal.

    When she got the numbers, he was very slow to support her, as compared to how quickly she, in '08, threw her support behind Obama.

    In fact, I don't think I ever heard Bernie fully support Hillary. I did hear him promise to do all the could to prevent Trump from winning, but that's not at all the same thing as doing all he could to help her win.

    Bernie has shown a considerable lack of integrity, and a great deal of poor sportsmanship.

    I have no idea what he supports that the Democrats don't also support. They are for higher wages, universal healthcare, affordable college, etc.

    Seems he wants them to support him but he will not reciprocate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    No doubt.

    The fact that Bernie did NOT hand Hillary his support is a different issue.

    He did not.

    Therefore Trump.
    lol, yeah, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    I don't know... judging by the Bilge posts it seems a lot of Sanders-for-POTUS boosters are something other than Democrats.
    And if the Democrats want to gain their vote, they'll need to regain their trust. Tough sh17 for you and them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Yep. His motivation seems pretty clear to me.
    It doesn't matter what his motivation is, he's not worth much in the realm of reality. It seems you simply want to guilt people like me into marching lock step with the DNC and that's not effing happening. As said earlier, they have to earn my vote with a viable candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Silver plate anyway...

    As I understand it - mostly from local interviews - he tried very hard to get HRC to adopt some more progressive points & had little luck (that arrogance thing).

    I agree that the US position in the world will never be the same. Once you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you cannot be trusted, you'll never win much trust back.

    The silver lining on that is that now maybe we can cut back our military to something a little more sane.
    The MIC lobby will not be pleased with that. The US, despite not winning one since WW2 seems to need a 'war' somewhere, anywhere to keep the rubes distracted and to feed the MIC machine. They will not like a slow down in spending and another reason will have to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt
    Has anybody published a poll of voters and non voters who would have voted for Bernie had he been running?
    I suspect some people who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders, as would have many abstainers
    I say that anyone who voted for Trump who would have voted for Sanders instead had he been the Democratic Party nominee is seriously confused.

    And either ignorant of or uncaring about the issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike
    It seems you simply want to guilt people like me into marching lock step with the DNC and that's not effing happening. As said earlier, they have to earn my vote with a viable candidate.
    What can I say? I was willing to compromise with regard to the Republican alternative and you evidently were not.

    I thought preventing Trump from being elected was more important than anything else and I voted for the candidate I thought had the best chance of defeating him. I thought defeating the threat of a Trump presidency justified compromising on ideological purity.

    Too bad if that makes anyone feel guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMike View Post
    lol, yeah, no.
    According to the research, as many as 1.6M Bernie primary voters cast their votes for Trump in the general.

    Take your pick, here. They all say about 12%.

    Wiki has Bernie Primary voters at 13,206,428.

    12% of 13,206,428 is 1,584,771.

    I think 1.58M votes would be conclusive in that race, especially when you consider that 1.5M for Trump is 1.5M against Hillary, meaning the Bernietrumps made a 3M vote difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    According to the research, as many as 1.6M Bernie primary voters cast their votes for Trump in the general.

    Take your pick, here. They all say about 12%.

    Wiki has Bernie Primary voters at 13,206,428.

    12% of 13,206,428 is 1,584,771.

    I think 1.58M votes would be conclusive in that race, especially when you consider that 1.5M for Trump is 1.5M against Hillary, meaning the Bernietrumps made a 3M vote difference.
    Obviously, you are assuming that all Bernie supporters lean left. That's wrong. Bernie has huge support from independents & a surprising # from the right. How else can a man win 86% of the vote in a state that's 35% Republican? He gets huge support from veterans (a notoriously conservative group - particularly older vets) because of his support on venteran's affairs & working to clean up the VA. He also gets support from fiscal conservatives (yep - it's true) because of his work to expose gov't spending - particularly the Pentagon.

    A couple of personal cases in point: My neighbor has not one, but two MAGA hats. He votes for Bernie in every election because 1) he looks out for the little guy, 2) is not anti-gun & 3) the above mentioned work to expose gov't spending problems. Another is similar - though he wasn't conned by Trump - but he's a huge 2nd amendment guy & likes Bernie's veterans & spending expose` record.

    All the articles (& people here) whining about Bernie supporters not supporting HRC completely miss that many who do vote for him in VT & would've voted for him nationally have never, ever voted for a Democrat in their entire life.

    Therefore your math above is fantasy - IOW imaginary numbers.
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    Just spit-balling here... but I doubt Republican Sanders supporters in Vermont bear much resemblance to people like genglandoh, mdh, bobbys, delecta, Noisey, etc. here in the Bilge.

    Unfortunately Vermont is not representative of the rest of the U.S.A. If only it were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    I always thought that Hillary and Bernie would have made a good pair in the White House. He would have tempered her more hawkish ways and she would have goaded him towards being a bit more fiscally responsible. They would have cleaned house against The Donald.

    As for Geng's reason for bring this up: is he trying to fracture the liberals into smaller camps by pointing out that Bernie is being shafted by the DNC. Good try, but not worth the effort
    It's called 'concern trolling,' and it has worked beautifully on this thread.

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    It is pretty easy to fracture Democrats into smaller camps. It always has been.
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