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    DONALD TRUMP CALLED ASBESTOS POISONING A MOB-LED CONSPIRACY, NOW HIS EPA WON’T EVALUATE ASBESTOS ALREADY IN HOMES


    http://www.newsweek.com/pruitt-trump...p-962703?amp=1



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    Lorain Ohio had a shipyard and steel mill.
    I know a bunch.
    Probably at least a dozen.
    Oddly quite a few air traffic controllers in Oberlin Ohio died of ASBESTOS POISONING.
    One was a good friend of mine.
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    An ignorant buffoon in action again.

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    Australia has an unpleasant history of asbestos injury, https://int.search.myway.com/search/GGmain.jhtml
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    from the article:

    Reinstein, whose husband developed Mesothelioma and passed away in 2006, told Newsweek that she met with Nancy Beck, deputy assistant administrator of the EPA’s Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention, on two occasions along with representatives from the AFL-CIO and the International Association of Fire Fighters. The group explained the hazards of legacy asbestos and presented over 100 studies confirming that low-dose asbestos exposure caused disease, but were shut down by Beck, she said. Beck was previously a senior director at the American Chemistry Council, a lobbyist group that represents Dow Chemical, DuPont, Monsanto and ExxonMobil Chemical.

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    I lost my Dad and an Uncle to asbestosis, thousands have died from the stuff. What is wrong with Trump ? This just evil.
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    Condoning future manslaughter if not accessories before the fact to murder, in that. Of course a 'friendly' USSC judge may not agree.

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    It's going to kill a lot of his supporters, they are the ones on the pointy end of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It's going to kill a lot of his supporters, they are the ones on the pointy end of this.
    It may kill them, but they'll remain Trump supporters right up until the end. The vast majority of Republican voters have been stubbornly voting against their own interests for decades. Trump Republicans are even worse that way.

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    I'm waiting for Bobby to tell us asbestos is harmless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    DONALD TRUMP CALLED ASBESTOS POISONING A MOB-LED CONSPIRACY, NOW HIS EPA WON’T EVALUATE ASBESTOS ALREADY IN HOMES


    http://www.newsweek.com/pruitt-trump...p-962703?amp=1



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    I lost two friends to mesothelioma.
    When the insurance company that had taken insurance premiums from shipyards for decades (Iron Trades) realised what was in store for them from asbestos related injuries, they moved all of the affected insurance policies into a subsidiary, which they put into liquidation.
    Insurance companies? I have scraped better off the sole of my boot.
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    and to add to the conspiracy.. what countries does most of the asbestos still made in this world come from? Number 1 is china, number 2 is russia
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    The Air Force spent millions of dollars cleaning up asbestos on closed bases
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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    An ignorant buffoon in action again.
    And that about sums it up perfectly.

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    I suppose "Black Lung" is a ploy by environmentalists to goad the coal industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I'm waiting for Bobby to tell us asbestos is harmless.
    Some kinds are such as in siding , roofing etc, however it falls under the same rules as the kind that flakes into the air.

    If you dont mind spending 85 thousand dollars to remove non threating asbestos from yer home for no reason i guess you can keep these regs.

    I think im the last guy to install asbestos siding, i had the cutter.

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    Next up, we put lead back in all our paint and gas.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to enjoy a nice rejuvenating Radon bath.

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    The environment?
    You can trust Pruitt
    to screw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Some kinds are such as in siding , roofing etc, however it falls under the same rules as the kind that flakes into the air.

    If you dont mind spending 85 thousand dollars to remove non threating asbestos from yer home for no reason i guess you can keep these regs.

    I think im the last guy to install asbestos siding, i had the cutter.
    But can you comment on Trump/Pruitt erasing the bipartisan work that brought about the 2016 update on the Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/u...chemicals.html

    Under a law passed by Congress during the final year of the Obama administration, the E.P.A. was required for the first time to evaluate hundreds of potentially toxic chemicals and determine if they should face new restrictions, or even be removed from the market. The chemicals include many in everyday use, such as dry-cleaning solvents, paint strippers and substances used in health and beauty products like shampoos and cosmetics.

    But as it moves forward reviewing the first batch of 10 chemicals, the E.P.A. has in most cases decided to exclude from its calculations any potential exposure caused by the substances’ presence in the air, the ground or water, according to more than 1,500 pages of documents released last week by the agency
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    “It is ridiculous,” said Wendy Cleland-Hamnett, who retired last year after nearly four decades at the E.P.A., where she ran the toxic chemical unit during her last year. “You can’t determine if there is an unreasonable risk without doing a comprehensive risk evaluation.”

    Senator Tom Udall, Democrat of New Mexico, and Representative Frank Pallone Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, who played leading roles in passing the 2016 law, said the E.P.A. was ignoring its directive for a comprehensive analysis of risks.

    “Congress worked hard in bipartisan fashion to reform our nation’s broken chemical safety laws, but Pruitt’s E.P.A. is failing to put the new law to use as intended,” Mr. Udall said in a statement referring to Scott Pruitt, the E.P.A. administrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WI-Tom View Post
    It may kill them, but they'll remain Trump supporters right up until the end. The vast majority of Republican voters have been stubbornly voting against their own interests for decades. Trump Republicans are even worse that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley
    This just evil.
    Yes it is.
    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Some kinds are such as in siding , roofing etc, however it falls under the same rules as the kind that flakes into the air.

    If you dont mind spending 85 thousand dollars to remove non threating asbestos from yer home for no reason i guess you can keep these regs.

    I think im the last guy to install asbestos siding, i had the cutter.
    Older homes can have friable asbestos as well old pipe insulation, boiler/furnace insulation, popcorn ceilings, floor tiles that become friable when you rip them up. Just another instance of Trump's poor judgement and lack of concern for children.

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    What was once inconceivable is now the ordinary. He's making asses out of the whole lot of you, the repugnicans for voting for him, the dems for not voting against him, and all of you for not putting him in the electric chair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine
    Older homes can have friable asbestos as well old pipe insulation, boiler/furnace insulation, popcorn ceilings, floor tiles that become friable when you rip them up. Just another instance of Trump's poor judgement and lack of concern for children.
    And bobbys'.
    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Smith porter maine View Post
    Older homes can have friable asbestos as well old pipe insulation, boiler/furnace insulation, popcorn ceilings, floor tiles that become friable when you rip them up. Just another instance of Trump's poor judgement and lack of concern for children.
    The gov in its wisdom makes it a everything rule..

    All sorts of rules just like old windows that might have old lead paint.

    Lots of rules because the democrat inner city base let their kids eat window paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    The gov in its wisdom makes it a everything rule..

    All sorts of rules just like old windows that might have old lead paint.

    Lots of rules because the democrat inner city base let their kids eat window paint.
    I personally know someone who poisoned his two young sons by exposure to lead paint when renovating his home.
    Bobbys why do you hate little kids and want to expose them to lead poisoning when simple and safe practices can prevent this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post

    Lots of rules because the democrat inner city base let their kids eat window paint.
    Lead poisoning is nothing to laugh about...

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    A new low for bobbys.
    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

    "OK. Fine. So he exaggerated a little on that."





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    A new low for bobbys.
    Nahhhh... He's been like that all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bernstein View Post
    Nahhhh... He's been like that all along.
    Do you think it may have been the paint?
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Or the crap Trump feeds him?

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    I presume this is from bobbys.

    "War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

    A middle-class white man virtue slinging at other white men on a forum populated almost exclusively by privileged elderly white men."

    I think bobbys is trolling you all, and having a grand time of it.
    He presents three opposites and then says Trump is doing fine.
    Then he states the obvious that we are a bunch of older, at least somewhat privileged white men....lets face it this is not really a full spectrum forum....

    I seldom, really if ever, actually agree with what bobbys writes, but I notice, not infrequently he is trolling for effect, and succeeds.

    Trump is clearly looking for the gold medal in being evil. Even Putin steps back from the edge from time to time. There are a handful of other national or world leaders in the finals. Should be an exciting race...( pun intended) .

    If we ware to judge evil with two measures ....1...How much is just plane nasty evil...and 2..how big are the consequences (number of people affected...bonus points for affecting people outside the nominal jurisdiction.

    As far as consequences is concerned, he is on track to pass Hitler record, and may achieve the level of evil seen with Stalin and Mao
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilberj
    I presume this is from bobbys.

    "War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

    A middle-class white man virtue slinging at other white men on a forum populated almost exclusively by privileged elderly white men."
    Nope. That is my signature line.

    It is a poke at Trumpist forumites like bobbys, Sky Blue, mdh, delecta, etc.
    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
    Trump is doing beautifully.

    "OK. Fine. So he exaggerated a little on that."





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    Every new American home should contain asbestos to bring more asbestos mining jobs back to ....Canada. While he's at it maybe he can also revive the arsenic industry and put it back in American wallpaper. Lead pipes, anyone?
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