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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeadon View Post
    Even at the size of build you're considering, you'll need to find a way to leverage this boat up onto the roof of your truck. Guaranteed you'll figure out a way to do it, though. I had a 13' SOF Gentry Whitehall and it was just on the edge of what I could lever up there. I usually found a way to skid it up from behind the truck up onto the rack. Or I'd have my wife come on out and help me pick the thing up. There was just that much less of a chance that I'd drop the thing or dent my truck. Getting it off was much easier. Gravity did most of the work.
    You may recall, when I built Meerkat, she was designed to fit in the bed of my truck without sticking out too far. That put a limitation on length that made it hard to take friends sailing, which is what I'm trying to overcome here. I wonder if Splinter is good for sailing two up or more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    I actually have considered this, although many of these are a bit wet for sailing in the waters I live near. From my perspective, part of the beauty of these is that they come apart, and you don't have to lift the whole thing at once.
    Fair play, what about a small Trimaran, same advantages of light individual parts with the advantage of most of your body inside and out of the weather. You could even go more kayak than canoe and use a spray deck.

    Frank Smoot has a 14 ft tri at 110 pounds all up on face book - but I canít find reference on his site http://www.diy-tris.com/2012/new-boats-n-photos.htm

    With craft like these the devil is in the detail to get it simple and quick to rig but working it all out is part of the fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tink View Post
    Fair play, what about a small Trimaran, same advantages of light individual parts with the advantage of most of your body inside and out of the weather. You could even go more kayak than canoe and use a spray deck.

    Frank Smoot has a 14 ft tri at 110 pounds all up on face book - but I can’t find reference on his site http://www.diy-tris.com/2012/new-boats-n-photos.htm

    With craft like these the devil is in the detail to get it simple and quick to rig but working it all out is part of the fun.
    I was thinking about such a boat in connection with Zest, Roger Woods' design with hiking racks with flotation. He built amas for his own boat, turning it into a trimaran. I was thinking of maybe a narrow dinghy with amas well above the water, that would be more forgiving than a normal dinghy with hiking racks but with lighter amas than a true trimaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    I was thinking about such a boat in connection with Zest, Roger Woods' design with hiking racks with flotation. He built amas for his own boat, turning it into a trimaran. I was thinking of maybe a narrow dinghy with amas well above the water, that would be more forgiving than a normal dinghy with hiking racks but with lighter amas than a true trimaran.

    What about Michael Storer’s C12 Club as a starting point it probably offers more protection than the Zest and I am not sure you need the complexity of a double bottom.

    https://www.storerboatplans.com/boat...racing-dinghy/



    As a concept - a monohull with outriggers it is a good route as this guy proved picking up an old ISO for peanuts and adding outriggers

    https://youtu.be/y79a5qejTFY



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    The double bottom would be nice, but by the time you've added outrigger is the boat still likely to be able to continue sailing after a capsize? BTW, what does the Cub weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Sailing a canoe as I do, I see no reason that a SOF sailing canoe would not work similarly.
    SOF sailing canoes work great.


    johnw: "So, here's the thing. If it's true to Chapelle's lines, it's not a planing hull, and that's one of the things I wanted."
    Just so (which I did note), and it seemed you were looking for speed, hence my mention of the Annabelle Skiff - I've had her up on plane with two aboard. Clearly not self rescuing/baling, though she does have permanent floatation installed.

    I see no issues with the Avenger or similar, if you want to go that way.

    An outrigger canoe can be very fast indeed. I've got a couple out, with another on the way. I took this one on the Everglades Challenge this year. Err, with different amas, rather than these 24' long bamboo logs.

    Fast, stable and easy. This one, in the style of a Perahu Katir from Indonesia, was quite dry in the rough stuff. And fast. Hard to tack and a tight fit in lots of places, though.
    Multi-hull small boats are tedious to rig and de-rig, so cartopping gets old fast.

    I've had two people in Splinter (while paddling), btw, but she's definitely a one person + dog or small child boat. I have a larger single outrigger canoe on the drawing board, but it will be a while until I can get around to building it.

    Hybrid bottoms work well - my Gunning Dory has one, and I've got a couple more with those bottoms coming up. They do add plenty of weight, relatively speaking.

    I like the Avenger. The H14 is another multi-chined dinghy that would be great for a SOF conversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGentry View Post
    SOF sailing canoes work great.


    johnw: "So, here's the thing. If it's true to Chapelle's lines, it's not a planing hull, and that's one of the things I wanted."
    Just so (which I did note), and it seemed you were looking for speed, hence my mention of the Annabelle Skiff - I've had her up on plane with two aboard. Clearly not self rescuing/baling, though she does have permanent floatation installed.

    I see no issues with the Avenger or similar, if you want to go that way.

    An outrigger canoe can be very fast indeed. I've got a couple out, with another on the way. I took this one on the Everglades Challenge this year. Err, with different amas, rather than these 24' long bamboo logs.

    Fast, stable and easy. This one, in the style of a Perahu Katir from Indonesia, was quite dry in the rough stuff. And fast. Hard to tack and a tight fit in lots of places, though.
    Multi-hull small boats are tedious to rig and de-rig, so cartopping gets old fast.

    I've had two people in Splinter (while paddling), btw, but she's definitely a one person + dog or small child boat. I have a larger single outrigger canoe on the drawing board, but it will be a while until I can get around to building it.

    Hybrid bottoms work well - my Gunning Dory has one, and I've got a couple more with those bottoms coming up. They do add plenty of weight, relatively speaking.

    I like the Avenger. The H14 is another multi-chined dinghy that would be great for a SOF conversion.
    Thanks for reminding me of the Annabelle skiff. I currently have a 9' 6" stitch and goo dinghy, and find it a little cramped for two people. I do like monohulls for their carrying capacity and maneuverability. I do think I'll need something a little longer than Annabelle, but I find the boat attractive and suspect the web frame construction would be stiff enough.

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    Have you settled on a boat yet? A boat I would consider looking at is Robert Morris's Providence River Boat. You can look up mark Ruetens pictures of the one he built. It has over a 5ft beam, and lacks a daggerboard so its extra roomy, It's unfortunately 150#, though i wouildnt recommend changing someone's design without some considerable knowledge in design, It's definitely over engineered in my opinion, and some things like in any SOF sailboat can be removable for car topping with some ingenuity. For example, the floorboards can be removable with Velcro, I've seen people build removable thwart seats for Dave Gentry's whitehall as well (this is more risky in a ribbed boat in my opinion), alternative can be used for the metal fastners, and if you seal the keel bolts on the interior by sinking and doweling the bolt head, the exterior keel could be removable. Robert Morris uses an exterior full keel as the source of strength instead of the gunwales and forgoes a daggerboard all together which I prefer.

    Also some rigging options require less stiffness than others for example a gaff rig with its running stays are said to be less strenuous than a bermuda particularly for a full keel boat.

    I'm currently making Dave Gentry's whitehall, but my next one will probably be a mix of the whitehall and the providence river boat because I love the whitehall design, but prefer some of Morris's design decisions to make it sailable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Hmm. 250 hours instead of 30 hours. I wish I could get a better look at the Melonseed's hull shape, is it a profile boat that is intended to look like the original, or does it follow traditional lines?
    Isn't the plan from the WB store based on Chapelle's plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    Isn't the plan from the WB store based on Chapelle's plan?

    Image frpm http://www.melonseed.com/melonseed-the-story.html
    More images here: http://sebagocanoeclub.blogspot.com/2010/09/
    Thanks for the links. Yes, the shape is pretty close.

    I've had to put this on the back shelf. The landlord has decided to tear down the building my bookstore is in, so until life settles down again, I won't be building any boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    You may recall, when I built Meerkat, she was designed to fit in the bed of my truck without sticking out too far. That put a limitation on length that made it hard to take friends sailing, which is what I'm trying to overcome here. I wonder if Splinter is good for sailing two up or more?
    Those receiver hitch truck extensions make carrying longer boats 15 foot or so in a PU bed pretty easy. Joe Liener used to slide his ducker or his melonseed into the back of one of those big old 50's station wagons.
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