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    Yes, I now think it's two Ls. I haven't found a list of R boat names, other than those that have been restored. I can see both the R and the N before the d, but I'm more convinced by the N.

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    When I say that I have seen worse, I mean this much worse! And, like the phoenix, she rose from the flames!
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    Talk about George Washington's original hatchet!

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    Not the metal just the wood.
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    The trick to restoration is being creative and not listening to the nay sayers!
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    Default Re: ny cl Herreshoff-Fife

    Well, the ballast keel is there.

    I recall that our local grand old lady, the smack Boadicea, CK213, has one piece of deadwood from 1808 still in her.
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    1808 was a good year for wood!
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    This boat is probably the R-boat R-57 Ardelle, built in 1926 by Nevins for Donald H. Cowl and designed by C. D. Mower. She was one of Mower's fastest R-boats and rather famous in her day.

    LOA 39-1
    LWL 25-4
    Beam 6-8
    Draft 5-9

    See https://www.nytimes.com/1926/05/09/a...cock-in-r.html for a regatta report and https://webmuseum.mit.edu/detail.php...lated&kv=43715 for a photo.

    It would be a shame to see her go and I wish someone could rescue her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCR View Post
    This boat is probably the R-boat R-57 Ardelle, built in 1926 by Nevins for Donald H. Cowl and designed by C. D. Mower. She was one of Mower's fastest R-boats and rather famous in her day.

    LOA 39-1
    LWL 25-4
    Beam 6-8
    Draft 5-9

    See https://www.nytimes.com/1926/05/09/a...cock-in-r.html for a regatta report and https://webmuseum.mit.edu/detail.php...lated&kv=43715 for a photo.

    It would be a shame to see her go and I wish someone could rescue her.
    Weren't most of Mower's plans destroyed in a fire? Could be difficult to restore without plans, because the restoration looks like propping up the ballast and building a new boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Weren't most of Mower's plans destroyed in a fire? Could be difficult to restore without plans, because the restoration looks like propping up the ballast and building a new boat.
    Mystic Seaport Museum Daniel S. Gregory Ships Plans Library
    Ships Plans Collection 29
    29.125 ARDELLE; 39 ft. R class sloop Designer, Charles D. Mower; Design number unknown; Builder, Henry B. Nevins, Inc.; 1926

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCR View Post
    This boat is probably the R-boat R-57 Ardelle, built in 1926 by Nevins for Donald H. Cowl and designed by C. D. Mower. She was one of Mower's fastest R-boats and rather famous in her day.

    LOA 39-1
    LWL 25-4
    Beam 6-8
    Draft 5-9

    See https://www.nytimes.com/1926/05/09/a...cock-in-r.html for a regatta report and https://webmuseum.mit.edu/detail.php...lated&kv=43715 for a photo.

    It would be a shame to see her go and I wish someone could rescue her.
    Thank you so much for digging up this info. Like so many beautiful old barns falling down, I wish I had a few spare millions to restore things.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCR View Post
    Mystic Seaport Museum Daniel S. Gregory Ships Plans Library
    Ships Plans Collection 29
    29.125 ARDELLE; 39 ft. R class sloop Designer, Charles D. Mower; Design number unknown; Builder, Henry B. Nevins, Inc.; 1926
    Well, somebody could do it, and it would cost about $2,500 to have the ballast cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Thank you so much for digging up this info. Like so many beautiful old barns falling down, I wish I had a few spare millions to restore things.
    Come on Garrett, you got this!
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    If I were home...

    So we have, for $2500, lead. And in the correct shape.

    We also have plans available for a very fast R. Plans that match the lead shape.

    And, we have some hardware.

    Sounds like a good excuse to build an R to me.
    Heute ist so ein schöne Tag...

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    you also get the name, and a little bit of provenance and history from a boat that was winning races in 1926..
    someone with deep pockets might go for it if they knew it was out there...
    the vague craigslist ad might not be doing the best job of getting the word out

    here's the photos and articles linked earlier:

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    Plans for the R Boat "Pirate" are available free here free of charge.
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/554435404103762749/

    Designed by Ted Geary in 1925 "Pirate" is #11 of the R fleet. The boat is now fully restored and is docked at the Center for Wooden Boats in Seattle. In 1926 "Pirate" won the national R championship regatta in Larchmont N.Y. with the famous West Coast skipper Matt Walsh at her helm. Walsh, who was known as The Wizard of Hurricane Gulch, beat all comers including the Herreshoff wonder boat "Live Yankee".

    I did extensive work on "Pirate" in the late sixties. Scott Rohrer is the one who took her to her current pristine condition. If you are in Seattle the boat is available for sailing or, if you just might want to look at a pristine R boat, visit the Center for Wooden Boats.

    Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Z. View Post
    Sounds like a good excuse to build an R to me.
    speed strip covered in glass and epoxy?
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Come on Garrett, you got this!
    Aren't you in need of both a boat & another project? I'm sure that gal could be moved to Michigan easily.
    "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Aren't you in need of both a boat & another project? I'm sure that gal could be moved to Michigan easily.
    Wouldn't work, he'd never finish redoing the head, even if the rest of the boat came together.

    (ducks)

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    I saw an auction that stated she had to be gone by today. Does anybody know if she got picked up? It’s be a shame if she went the way of the bonfire.

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    I am sorry to have to report that she has been cut up. What a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCR View Post
    I am sorry to have to report that she has been cut up. What a shame.
    What a terrible waste. :-(

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    So, What happened to her?
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    Damn shame. Perhaps had she been advertised as what she was, things would have been different. Never underestimate the power of ignorance.

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    Alas. This makes me more determined to press on with my little International Fourteen.
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    I once went to bat, for a friend, on a very old boat auction for unpaid slip fees and got it. The boat was in dire shape but Elisabeth Mayer took the boat on and did a full restoration of her! She and her husband have sailed "Seminole" over twelve thousand miles! I am told told that "Seminole" is one of the best sailing boats they have ever owned!

    I really feel a deep sense of anger and sorrow concerning the fools that murdered R-57 Adelle!
    Jay
    "Seminole"
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