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    Default Even sailboats are now drawn with a straightedge

    Beneteau's new Oceanis 62:

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    The ramming-probiscus seems appropriate.

    Is that boat 28' long or are we now doing waist-high lifelines?
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    Waist-high lifelines...
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    What is the skewed arch shaped thing behind the mast? Is that for protection from the boom? Or is it simply Plessist?
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    Why, it's a spoiler, of course. Makes ya go faster, doncha know?
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    Default Re: Even sailboats are now drawn with a straightedge

    really makes it corner better.

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    while I prefer more "traditional" spoon bowed full length keel designs. I especially love double ended vessels.. I do not hate that Oceanis. For those that are not being facetious or sarcastic, the "arch" usually holds the sail controls, With the height of the mast above the deck, there is no other way to run those lines without needed miles of them
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    Sad. Just sad.
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    The two could be cousins.

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    Art, I am not opposed to "spoilers" on sailboats per se; I was mostly commenting on the lack of curved lines anywhere on that particular boat. That said, the "spoilers" are also good locations for instruments, deck lights, etc. Engineering and constructing them to take the loads of the mainsheet traveller is pretty daunting, and isn't very commonly seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeadon View Post
    The two could be cousins.

    goat island skiff?
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    Pretty sure that's the Beneteau 15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    goat island skiff?
    Indeed... but - while it's a dead-simple design of sheet plywood - nowhere near the brutalist aesthetic of the OP.

    Who knew Yeadon could actually be wrong? This is gonna take me a while to process... <G>





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    Modern styling is very important to some.

    Is this what a boat would look like if IKEA sold it as a kit you could assemble?

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    The design was inspired by a floating fence post.
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    The spoiler is there to remove the killer of sailors, the main sheet and traveller, from the cockpit. And also to make a place to run a dodger to and Bimini from.

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    Don't mind it at all. Mine would have some colour to the hull and do away with that black stripy line but otherwise it's fine. Solar panels on the spoiler, please.
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    Default Re: Even sailboats are now drawn with a straightedge

    Its okay. At least it sails. Probably sails pretty well. It also has a large foredeck, which is to be commended.

    The anchor roller needs work.

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    I really, really doubt that the mainsheet traveller is mounted on top of that arch. Dodger, bimini, solar panels, lights & instruments, yes; traveller, probably not.

    Edit to add: I found Beneteau's website for this boat: http://www.beneteau.com/en/oceanis-y...eanis-yacht-62 The stripe is black plexi to disguise the portlights in the hull, and I am partially right (which also means that I am partially wrong) about the sail controls on the arch - the main boom is rigged with two fixed blocks - no traveller - on the arch with the sheet led forward to the base of the mast and then aft (like a dinghy) under the coachroof to winches at the stern. The hull is molded with a chine aft that fades into the topsides about 3/4L forward, which should give it a lot of sail-carrying power upwind, but with a slightly different rolling motion than round-bilged sailboats of its size. One thing that I notice in the interior is lots of substantial grabrails and rounded corners on furniture - bravo, Beneteau!

    But I maintain that it would look better with the lines softened with gentle curves....
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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Indeed... but - while it's a dead-simple design of sheet plywood - nowhere near the brutalist aesthetic of the OP.

    Who knew Yeadon could actually be wrong? This is gonna take me a while to process... <G>





    I think a brutalist aesthetic would require ferrocement and higher freeboard. This boat is clearly a Modernist Microwave aesthetic.

    I actually don't mind the straight sheer or even the spoiler, which looks to me like it's intended to act as a boom crutch. The boat looks like it's intended for its use, and hasn't been given a lot of extra stuff, and I'm fine with that.

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    Default Re: Even sailboats are now drawn with a straightedge

    German Frers threw away their french curve years ago. This doesn't appear to be anything new in sailboat design. I don't find them all that pleasing but I'm sure it's fast and comfortable.

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    I look at it this way: If it is what people want and it gets people "out there" sailing.. it can't be all bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Why, it's a spoiler, of course. Makes ya go faster, doncha know?
    Well it certainly spoils the appearance, if that is even possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David G View Post
    Indeed... but - while it's a dead-simple design of sheet plywood - nowhere near the brutalist aesthetic of the OP.

    Who knew Yeadon could actually be wrong? This is gonna take me a while to process... <G>





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    I quite like the Beneteau.I would like it a bit more without the bowsprit and with a bit of rake to the stem and I would prefer it not to have any portlights in the dark band along the hull.If there are any,and there might well be,I would hate to see them with sharp corners which is a prevailing trend in Europe and shows there is an entire generation of naval architects who are too young to remember what happened with a similar feature on the DeHavilland Comet.

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    There are portlights under the black band (at least a dozen, maybe sixteen), and they are indeed rectangular but with maybe 1" radius corners.
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    Looks a bit like an Adams. But ugly.
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    Everyone knows that all the most beautiful women are angular and boxy too.

    All the charm of a plastic brick. I just hope this boat comes in a variety of colors, like other Legos do.

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    Well, plenty of people would think a "straight-lined" woman like Cate Blanchett or Keira Knightley looks pretty damn good.

    I love the curves of a Fife 8 Metre as much as most people, but surely there's lots of aesthetic value in minimalism and straight lines, as the famous works of Mies van der Rohe, Frank Lloyd Wright and their acolytes demonstrate;

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    While almost all of us love the aesthetics of the Victorian era yachts, the same people who created them also brought us this sort of stuff;

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    Maybe the aesthetic taste of the Lego era doesn't compare too badly with the aesthetic taste of the era that brought us horrors like these? :-)
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    Channeling Duncan.

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    I wonder if she doesn't have a slapping, whipping motion in a gale. Tonnage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Figment View Post
    Is that boat 28' long or are we now doing waist-high lifelines?
    Either that or there is no standing headroom below.
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    The boat in the O.P. is the nautical equivalent of....Pi equals three.

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