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    A massacre is the deliberate slaughter of members of one group by one or more members of another more powerful group. A massacre may be indiscriminate or highly methodical in application. A massacre is a single event, though it may occur during the course of an extended military campaign or war. A massacre is separate from a battle (an event in which opposing sides fight), but may follow in its immediate aftermath, when one side has surrendered or lost the ability to fight, yet the victors persist in killing their opponents.

    Massacres where a routine for colonial powers. The British in India, The colonisation of Australia. We look back at history and shake our heads at how obviously wrong and unjust this behaviour and the rationalisations for it was and yet here we are in the present day watching the very same actions and rationalisations at play against the people of Palestine perpetuated by Israel and sanctioned by the Government of the USA and it even has the blessing of the so called christians who support Israel in their immoral and inhumane actions that to my mind can be legitimately described as war crimes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Screwing over an oppressed people for domestic politics.

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_s...s-expecte.html

    The Israeli-Palestinian struggle is a tribal war, a struggle for the same narrow strip of land between two peoples who hate each other. In this struggle The Israelis have the US on their side and the Palestinians have the Islamic World.

    There is no end in sight. pl
    The Palestinians have only themselves, and some support and sympathy from public individuals worldwide, akin to the African National Congress in South Africa during the years of apartheid.

    Some chest-beating in the Islamic World perhaps, but no more than that.

    The governments of Egypt and Jordan ? Spineless lot.

    Having failed at fomenting regime change in Syria, deprived us of witnessing a modern version of the UAR (United Arab Republic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    MAGA

    Make America Garish Again

    .........everything he touches will be branded thus.
    General Reginald Dyer of British India infamy springs to mind :

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com...201603.article

    The Jallianwala Bagh Massacre depicted in Richard Attenborough´s film "Gandhi" :



    General Dyer ordered his Infantry men to lock the gates of Jallianwala Bagh (gardens/park) in the city of Amritsar (Punjab Province, North-West India) and then ordered them to fire countless 303 rounds into an unarmed, protesting crowd; he left the injured to writhe in pain and bleed to death, by refusing entry of medical personnel.
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    An example of diplomatic speech treading carefully:

    "In a phone call with Israel's Netanyahu after deadly Gaza protests, Merkel says Germany "understands Israel's security concerns.
    The right to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly shouldn't be abused to provoke unrest.
    Violence shouldn't be a means to enforce political goals."

    ...meanwhile in Brussels


    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/gaza...ssador/1146900

    Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders on Tuesday summoned Israeli Ambassador in Brussels Simona Frankel over her comments on the killing of peaceful protesters in Gaza, according to local media
    Belgium’s official news agency Belga reported that Frankel was called to the Foreign Ministry over her remarks in which she labeled martyred Palestinians as “terrorists”
    “We can hear a lot of things, but it has a limit,” Reynders said in a statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Every one of these people would be alive today if they had not charged a border fence,, pretty simple.
    deplorable Alvin

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadi...care-1.3930653

    Canadian doctor says he was shot and wounded while providing medical treatment to Palestinians protesting along the Gaza border.
    In a blog post published on Monday, Dr. Tarek Loubani described how he was shot in the leg while he was attending wounded Palestinians in Gaza. The London, Ont.-based physician said he was shot towards the end of the morning on Monday while he was standing with a group of other medical professionals away from the main protest area, but in view of three Israeli sniper outposts.
    Dr. Loubani said that he was wearing “full hospital greens” as he stood talking with a colleague.

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    I hope Canada protests the actions against one of their own, especially one who was not only NOT protesting, but trying to save lives
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    I hope the entire world expels Israel's diplomats.

    All of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    A Canadian doctor wearing blaze orange jacket with the red cross emblazoned front & back was shot in the legs by a sniper as he was tending to the injured at the border. The medic who helped him, a Palestinian who was wearing the white outfit favoured by Red Crescent, was shot in the chest and killed by a sniper shortly after helping the Canadian doctor.

    What civilized military shoots clearly-identified medical personnel?
    The same type of country that would run over a teenaged girl with a bulldozer and crush her to death just becuse she was protesting the destruction of Palestinian property.

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    .......this would come under the " Violence Nearby " heading.

    A little cut and paste from Amnesty International:

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries...n-territories/

    Torture and other ill-treatment.
    Israeli soldiers and police and Israel Security Agency officers subjected Palestinian detainees, including children, to torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, particularly during arrest and interrogation. Reported methods included beatings, slapping, painful shackling, sleep deprivation, use of stress positions and threats. No criminal investigations were opened into more than 1,000 complaints filed since 2001. Complaints of torture and other ill-treatment by the Israeli police against asylum-seekers and members of the Ethiopian community remained common.
    In December the Israeli High Court of Justice accepted the Attorney General’s decision not to open a criminal investigation into Asad Abu Ghosh’s torture claims despite credible evidence, thus condoning the continued use of stress positions and sleep deprivation against Palestinian detainees by Israeli interrogators.
    Unlawful killings

    Israeli soldiers, police and security guards killed at least 75 Palestinians from the OPT, including East Jerusalem, and five Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. Some of those killed were shot while attacking Israelis or suspected of intending an attack. Many, including children, were shot and unlawfully killed while posing no immediate threat to life. Some killings, such as that of Yacoub Abu al-Qi’an, shot in his car by police in Umm al-Hiran in January, appeared to have been extrajudicial executions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    .......this would come under the " Violence Nearby " heading.

    A little cut and paste from Amnesty International:

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries...n-territories/

    Torture and other ill-treatment.
    Israeli soldiers and police and Israel Security Agency officers subjected Palestinian detainees, including children, to torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, particularly during arrest and interrogation. Reported methods included beatings, slapping, painful shackling, sleep deprivation, use of stress positions and threats. No criminal investigations were opened into more than 1,000 complaints filed since 2001. Complaints of torture and other ill-treatment by the Israeli police against asylum-seekers and members of the Ethiopian community remained common.
    In December the Israeli High Court of Justice accepted the Attorney General’s decision not to open a criminal investigation into Asad Abu Ghosh’s torture claims despite credible evidence, thus condoning the continued use of stress positions and sleep deprivation against Palestinian detainees by Israeli interrogators.
    Unlawful killings

    Israeli soldiers, police and security guards killed at least 75 Palestinians from the OPT, including East Jerusalem, and five Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. Some of those killed were shot while attacking Israelis or suspected of intending an attack. Many, including children, were shot and unlawfully killed while posing no immediate threat to life. Some killings, such as that of Yacoub Abu al-Qi’an, shot in his car by police in Umm al-Hiran in January, appeared to have been extrajudicial executions.
    Yup.

    The Israelis have become Nazis.

    This is the sort of behavior we would have expected from the Gestapo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I hope the entire world expels Israel's diplomats.

    All of them.
    And maybe ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BETTY-B View Post
    Well done, Dan.

    Well done.
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    Most Americans CLAIM to believe in used 'adequate' force, not overkill.

    These protesters were slinging rocks and rushing a fence.

    Hard to imagine anyone thinking Israel did not use greatly excessive, and unwarranted, force.
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    Keep in mind, the past four Democratic Party platforms had called for the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    No Democrat attended. Our libs here and the DNC are petulant children, what outrageous hypocrisy..

    Fact is libs are sore Trump is winning again,

    And again and again, he keeps his promise..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Keep in mind, the past four Democratic Party platforms had called for the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    No Democrat attended. Our libs here and the DNC are petulant children, what outrageous hypocrisy..

    Fact is libs are sore Trump is winning again,

    And again and again, he keeps his promise..
    Nobody's said he did or did not keep a promise. What we're saying is that keeping it was a really stupid thing to do. So you're good with provoking violence, maiming & death?
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    This may be part of pulling out of Iran deal. Trump's ultimate goal may be war.
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    It is curious that there is no similar rioting or protesting from the fringes of the West Bank or Jerusalem.

    What of the Palestinian people in those areas?

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    There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    It is curious that there is no similar rioting or protesting from the fringes of the West Bank or Jerusalem.

    What of the Palestinian people in those areas?
    Up against this?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    There's no army outposts, border control checkpoints, and other indicia of Israeli authority in Jerusalem and the West Bank? There's been no protests in these areas before?

    Citizens living in these areas are not being urged to protest?

    To the contrary. They have been so urged. But the protests have not materialized in any manner like we've seen out of Gaza. Why?

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...alem-1.6078513

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    I guess Bratva has released its talking points for the day.
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    Why? Because they know they'll be victims of war crimes.
    The best statement I've seen from this latest carnage came from a student who lived through it -

    "My generation will not allow this to continue!"

    Remember voting age is 18. Read it and weep reds.

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    an example of why Trump doesn’t care

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aib5Ts2cDI8

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    Quote Originally Posted by BETTY-B View Post
    Trump hate and anti semitism , anti women all rolled into one hate post..

    Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Nobody's said he did or did not keep a promise. What we're saying is that keeping it was a really stupid thing to do. So you're good with provoking violence, maiming & death?
    Trump is the first prez not backed down by blackmail.

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    Nobody provoked any violence, they do this same protest every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Nobody provoked any violence, they do this same protest every year.
    Right.

    Every year.

    So so why did the Israelis decide to maim and murder 2,000 of them THIS year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Right.

    Every year.

    So so why did the Israelis decide to maim and murder 2,000 of them THIS year?
    Sheesh. Gotta celebrate the new embassy somehow, dontcha?
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    Every Year
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    Another analysis is that Hamas is provoking the violence while Fatah is not.

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    Another analysis, голубое небо, is that Trump is a fascist piece of animated feces who owes his life and his fortune to Солнцевская братва
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Right.

    Every year.

    So so why did the Israelis decide to maim and murder 2,000 of them THIS year?
    They want a war with Iran, as long as the US fights it for them, and
    Donald wants, even needs a war to get him out from under the Russia Investigation.
    Russia would be delighted if the US got into a war with one of their allies.

    And then there's Korea………..

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.W. Baxter View Post
    Gotta admit, that's compelling.
    The Солнцевская братва playbook is identical to the Trump playbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbys View Post
    Trump hate and anti semitism , anti women all rolled into one hate post..

    Pathetic.
    It is possible to be critical of Israel and not be antisemitic, you do realise that don't you?
    Trump hate, yeah well guilty on that one. He just killed over 40 Palestinians and didn't even need a gun.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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