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    The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it agreed to brief House Intelligence Committee members about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source’s name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

    Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes’s request for details on this secret source was “wholly appropriate,” “completely within the scope” of the committee’s long-running FBI investigation, and “something that probably should have been answered a while ago.” Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

    House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.” Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”

    This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

    The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post’s unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes’s request deals with a “top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

    This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carré style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

    Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affair—the FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authors—have been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

    And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.

    We also know that among the Justice Department’s stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the “source” may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That’s notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this “top secret” source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

    I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we’ve barely scratched the surface of the FBI’s 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It’s time to rip off the Band-Aid.

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    The FBI briefed House Intelligence Committee members about a top-secret intelligence source but did not allow them to see documents. An earlier version of this article misstated this.

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    Judge the results of Mueller's investigation on the merits, when it is complete.... instead of trying to derail the investigation by perhaps dangerously exposing a confidential source.

    If Trump is so innocent, he has nothing to hide.

    The WSJ editorial is BIG on rumor and innuendo, and very short on provable facts.
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."







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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.
    They took a position and then modified it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s response was to double down—accusing the House of “extortion” and delivering a speech in which he claimed that “declining to open the FBI’s files to review” is a constitutional “duty.”
    Perhaps they're right. The arbiter would be the judicial branch, to which the House made no appeal.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook arguments—that revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in “loss of human lives.”
    Like the nominee for Director of the CIA did yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.
    What does the destruction of torture tapes strongly suggest?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

    This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting.
    It's undercover work which I guarantee is occuring all over the country right now. Someone on the FBI payroll is using his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with a drug dealer.
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    Nunes is not exactly a paragon of non-partisanism. We all know as soon as he gets anything juicy, he will again run right from the meeting to the White House to share the information. I do not mind some members of congress having information as long as they can keep their traps shut and not let the person being investigated know what is going on.
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    Devin Nunes is in this up to his eyeballs. He doesn't want to see this stuff to participate in the investigation, he's wants to undermine it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljb5 View Post
    Devin Nunes is in this up to his eyeballs. He doesn't want to see this stuff to participate in the investigation, he's wants to undermine it.
    this is probably also true.
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    Re the op ed.
    As far as I can see this congress is one of the least trustworthy bodies that the US has had for a very long time.

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    When the usual suspects arrive and start trenching so quickly, you know they're concerned. The WSJ reporting has them worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    this is probably also true.
    There were reports yesterday that staffers on the Hill have been warned to stay away from Devin Nunes because he's a target of the Mueller investigation.

    The only reason he wants to see these documents is to figure out how much they have on him already.... and, of course, to run over to the White House and give Trump a damage report.

    Word has it that Trump and Cohen have refused to tell their own lawyers what was in Cohen's files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    When the usual suspects arrive and start trenching so quickly, you know they're concerned. The WSJ reporting has them worried.

    Of course they’re concerned. Any person, with a smidgin of common sense, realizes that if it’s true, the two year FBI/Muler investigation is gutted. That after two years of wiretaps, illegal FISA applications and surveillance, complete with an implanted spy, and only dredging up a decade old, closed case on Manafort, thirteen injudicious indictments, a few process crimes, that it’s worse than a witch hunt: it’s a set up, entrapment, and prosecutorial, as well as, administrative misconduct.
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    Devin Nunes shouldn't be trusted with sharp scissors, never mind any confidential intelligence information.
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    Devin Nunes is not interested defending the U.S.A. against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    He is interested in defending Donald Trump against criminal prosecution. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh View Post
    Of course they’re concerned. Any person, with a smidgin of common sense, realizes that if it’s true, the two year FBI/Muler investigation is gutted. That after two years of wiretaps, illegal FISA applications and surveillance, complete with an implanted spy, and only dredging up a decade old, closed case on Manafort, thirteen injudicious indictments, a few process crimes, that it’s worse than a witch hunt: it’s a set up, entrapment, and prosecutorial, as well as, administrative misconduct.
    A vast left-wing conspiracy by Republicans.

    Cohen, Rosenstein, Comey, McCabe, and Mueller are all Republicans.

    Rick Gates, George Papadapoulous and Alex Van Der Zwaan have already plead guilty. I guess this is what you dismissively refer to as "a few process crimes." To everyone else, these are CRIMES... not only are they illegal acts by themselves, but they were intended to prevent the discovery of more illegal acts.

    Quit your whining and get on board with reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Montgomery View Post
    Devin Nunes is not interested defending the U.S.A. against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    He is interested in defending Donald Trump against criminal prosecution. Period.
    Yes he is right up until the time tRump throws him under the bus
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    I thought this thread would be about don jr or one of the other Russian spy’s in the current administration.

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